stop sinning John 5:14

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When Jesus heals the man who was at the pool of Bethesda for 38 years the man goes to the temple. Jesus finds him there and tells him "See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you."

The words "stop sinning" makes it sound that the man was being punished for doing something. Matthew Henry's commentary says about this

"He gives him a caution against sin, in consideration hereof, Being made whole, sin no more. This implies that his disease was the punishment of sin whether of some remarkably flagrant sin, or only of sin in general, we cannot tell, but we know that sin is the procuring cause of sickness, Psalm 107:17,18. Some observe that Christ did not make mention of sin to any of his patients, except to this impotent man, and another who was in like manner diseased, Mark 2:5. While those chronical diseases lasted, they prevented the outward acts of many sins, and therefore watchfulness was the more necessary when the disability was removed. Christ intimates that those who are made whole, who are eased of the present sensible punishment of sin, are in danger of returning to sin when the terror and restraint are over, unless divine grace dry up the fountain. When the trouble which only dammed up the current is over, the waters will return to their old course and therefore there is great need of watchfulness, lest after healing mercy we return again to folly. The misery we were made whole from warns us to sin no more, having felt the smart of sin the mercy we were made whole by is an engagement upon us not to offend him who healed us. This is the voice of every providence, Go and sin no more. This man began his new life very hopefully in the temple, yet Christ saw it necessary to give him this caution for it is common for people, when they are sick, to promise much, when newly recovered to perform something, but after awhile to forget all. [3.] He gives him warning of his danger, in case he should return to his former sinful course: Lest a worse thing come to thee. Christ, who knows all men's hearts, knew that he was one of those that must be frightened from sin. Thirty-eight years' lameness, one would think, was a thing bad enough yet there is something worse that will come to him if he relapse into sin after God has given him such a deliverance as this"

So, does this then mean that some are sick today because of sin?
 

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Sickness leading to death?
Death in itself is a response to sin.. a few scientists call death a disease and are seeking the cure :/
I believe all disease is tied to sin just as all death is tied to sin.
 

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When Jesus heals the man who was at the pool of Bethesda for 38 years the man goes to the temple. Jesus finds him there and tells him "See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you."

The words "stop sinning" makes it sound that the man was being punished for doing something. Matthew Henry's commentary says about this

"He gives him a caution against sin, in consideration hereof, Being made whole, sin no more. This implies that his disease was the punishment of sin whether of some remarkably flagrant sin, or only of sin in general, we cannot tell, but we know that sin is the procuring cause of sickness, Psalm 107:17,18. Some observe that Christ did not make mention of sin to any of his patients, except to this impotent man, and another who was in like manner diseased, Mark 2:5. While those chronical diseases lasted, they prevented the outward acts of many sins, and therefore watchfulness was the more necessary when the disability was removed. Christ intimates that those who are made whole, who are eased of the present sensible punishment of sin, are in danger of returning to sin when the terror and restraint are over, unless divine grace dry up the fountain. When the trouble which only dammed up the current is over, the waters will return to their old course and therefore there is great need of watchfulness, lest after healing mercy we return again to folly. The misery we were made whole from warns us to sin no more, having felt the smart of sin the mercy we were made whole by is an engagement upon us not to offend him who healed us. This is the voice of every providence, Go and sin no more. This man began his new life very hopefully in the temple, yet Christ saw it necessary to give him this caution for it is common for people, when they are sick, to promise much, when newly recovered to perform something, but after awhile to forget all. [3.] He gives him warning of his danger, in case he should return to his former sinful course: Lest a worse thing come to thee. Christ, who knows all men's hearts, knew that he was one of those that must be frightened from sin. Thirty-eight years' lameness, one would think, was a thing bad enough yet there is something worse that will come to him if he relapse into sin after God has given him such a deliverance as this"

So, does this then mean that some are sick today because of sin?
Short answer is yes
 

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The scripture does not give us the full backstory on this invalid man. We know that he had been injured for 38 years. We do not know how he got injured. He may have been involved in illegal activities that resulted in his accident. Jesus may have been telling him to not go back to that former lifestyle...the one that had caused his injury in the first place.
We just don't have enough information to say for sure, which means this is ripe for speculation.
We do know that God ordained this man to be an invalid for 38 years. God ordained his healing at the pool of Bethesda. God told him to stop sinning or worse might happen.
The specific sin is never revealed.
 

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The scripture does not give us the full backstory on this invalid man. We know that he had been injured for 38 years. We do not know how he got injured. He may have been involved in illegal activities that resulted in his accident. Jesus may have been telling him to not go back to that former lifestyle...the one that had caused his injury in the first place.
We just don't have enough information to say for sure, which means this is ripe for speculation.
We do know that God ordained this man to be an invalid for 38 years. God ordained his healing at the pool of Bethesda. God told him to stop sinning or worse might happen.
The specific sin is never revealed.

so what do you believe he meant by "something worse may happen to you." verse 14?
 

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so what do you believe he meant by "something worse may happen to you." verse 14?

If I may, I believe this has to to with Repentance. Let's look at an important teaching of Jesus regarding the necessity of repentance -

"There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”
- Luke 13:1-5

As with the lame man at the Pool of Bethesda, sometimes bad things just happen, even to good people. That's life in this presently corrupted world. People are mistreated, persecuted and even killed for no reason. Others are born sickly, and it doesn't seem fair. But what matters to God is not HOW we we born or even WHAT happens to us during our life, but WHO we are as a person. Are we one who will "turn away from our sin" and behave in ways we know are right. For even the unsaved have a conscience; most people know right from wrong. That is why many crimes are committed in the dark, because people know what they are doing is wrong and try to hide it.
We who have been enlightened by the Word & are being guided by the Spirit must "repent or we will likewise perish", and miss out on God's plan for our lives. For if we remain on the throne of our lives, then Jesus cannot rule and "complete that good work which He began in us."
Nothing external can separate us from God, we know that (Rom 8:38-39), yet internal sin can and will (Isaiah 59:2).

Much of the church is out trying to get the world to "repent" and turn to Jesus; while all the while God is waiting for those IN the churches to "stop sinning." He is merciful and patient indeed, as Peter tells us -
"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." (2Pet 3:9)

Repentance - an actual turning away from sin and turning to God - is what will bring about the promise of God. Being "saved" is not what will bring the promise about, but Repentance. Salvation is the beginning; and once "saved" (delivered from our bondage even as those whom Jesus healed were delivered often from physical bonds) we must be "striving against sin even to the shedding of our blood" to "sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon (us).” (Heb 12:4, John 5:14)
 

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so what do you believe he meant by "something worse may happen to you." verse 14?
My speculation is that the man was injured because of a sinful lifestyle he had been involved in. Jesus knew this. Jesus then warned him to not go back to that sinful lifestyle or the consequences would be far worse than what he experienced for the past 38 years.
This man was not a follower of Jesus, yet Jesus healed him anyway. The man was still ignorant of Jesus after the healing as he ended up being the reason the Jewish leaders wanted to eliminate Jesus. God chose to heal this man on Earth. We have no indication the man ever repented or changed his lifestyle. We only know he was warned.
God is gracious to both the sinner and the saint. He heals both and he chooses not to heal both, according to the mystery of His will.
 

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My speculation is that the man was injured because of a sinful lifestyle he had been involved in. Jesus knew this. Jesus then warned him to not go back to that sinful lifestyle or the consequences would be far worse than what he experienced for the past 38 years.
This man was not a follower of Jesus, yet Jesus healed him anyway. The man was still ignorant of Jesus after the healing as he ended up being the reason the Jewish leaders wanted to eliminate Jesus. God chose to heal this man on Earth. We have no indication the man ever repented or changed his lifestyle. We only know he was warned.
God is gracious to both the sinner and the saint. He heals both and he chooses not to heal both, according to the mystery of His will.

So your saying that because he didn't repent the worse thing would be spiritual death and hell
 

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So your saying that because he didn't repent the worse thing would be spiritual death and hell
I'm saying that Jesus was referring to his lifestyle and telling him to change or things could turn out even worse for him.
We do not know if God had chosen this man for salvation or if this man was destined to remain in unreconciled sin. The passage doesn't tell us. All the passage tells us is that Jesus told him, “See, you are well!*Sin no more,*that nothing worse may happen to you.”
Jesus seems to be talking about his physical wellbeing, not necessarily his spiritual wellbeing.
 

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I'm saying that Jesus was referring to his lifestyle and telling him to change or things could turn out even worse for him.
We do not know if God had chosen this man for salvation or if this man was destined to remain in unreconciled sin. The passage doesn't tell us. All the passage tells us is that Jesus told him, “See, you are well!*Sin no more,*that nothing worse may happen to you.”
Jesus seems to be talking about his physical wellbeing, not necessarily his spiritual wellbeing.

What i'm trying to wrap my head around is what is worse than 38 years being paralyzed by a pool of water and basically being helpless
 

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What i'm trying to wrap my head around is what is worse than 38 years being paralyzed by a pool of water and basically being helpless

Eternal separation from God.

Jesus wants the man, and us, even us 'Christians', to stop sinning or we face expulsion from His Kingdom. (Matt 13:41-43)
 

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What i'm trying to wrap my head around is what is worse than 38 years being paralyzed by a pool of water and basically being helpless
Well, he could have been left brain damaged and been abused. There is worse things than being paralyzed.
 

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Eternal separation from God.

Jesus wants the man, and us, even us 'Christians', to stop sinning or we face expulsion from His Kingdom. (Matt 13:41-43)

Your suggesting that the verses above are about people being thrown out of heaven? It doesn't sound like the condemned in that passage are believers to me.
 

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Your suggesting that the verses above are about people being thrown out of heaven? It doesn't sound like the condemned in that passage are believers to me.
Matthew 13:36-43 and the parable of the good seeds and weeds reveals Jesus election and choosing by predestination. It is really poor hermeneutics to imply works salvation out of this passage.

Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
 

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Your suggesting that the verses above are about people being thrown out of heaven? It doesn't sound like the condemned in that passage are believers to me.

Let's think for a minute... First, remember the Parable of the Talents. The "talents" were given to "servants" of the Master, so they were all "saved." Yet, when the one guy became lazy and failed to do what was required of him, he was cast out into the darkness. And Jesus teaches the same will happen to us. All of Jesus' Parables concern the Kingdom of God and those who have been given an opportunity to be a part of it.

Secondly... we use the term "believer' far too loosely. In the Greek it refers to one who has trust in all that God has said and is faithful to Christ in what they do, "in speech, conduct, love, faith and purity." (1Tim 4:12) Our actions prove what is really in our hearts. If we say that we 'believe' in Jesus and what He has done, yet fail to repent and obey, then we really don't believe. For to "believe" means to receive and accept ALL that Jesus & His Apostles taught.

“The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Everyone who confesses the Name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” (2Tim 2:19)

This passage is not telling the unbeliever to turn from sin, but those IN the churches who have 'accepted the Lord' and are 'saved.' To continue in sin once "saved" is to spit on the Cross of Christ and deny what He came to do, which was "set us free FROM our sin, not forgive us IN our sin.

Peace & Blessings, Wisdom and Understanding to us all.
 
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