The GOAL

[Lamb]

Forgiveness of sins is for those outside the church. Once we've been saved and enlightened, and the Spirit begins to show us our shortcomings, we must repent of them and obey the commands of God given through Jesus Christ.
There is no 'eternal state of forgiveness' that we enter into. As Peter wrote, we must DO the things commanded and ADD to our faith. If we don't we've forgotten that we were forgiven of our "past sins." Paul says grace will not cover continued sin, and the writer of Hebrews warns that willful known sins we commit after we have been 'saved' will bring only destruction upon us.

Modern preaching has made it seem as though God is begging us to 'accept His Son', so He can forgive us eternally, somehow not see our sins anymore, and then bring us into the spirit realm when we die, even if we have not been obedient.
And this obedience is to the commandments of Christ. “If you love Me, keep My commandments." (John 14:15). And for the record, there is no command to 'accept Christ' as I have heard preached, which is not Bible. No, the commandments are the Eternal Moral Law of God, the "Law of the Spirit of Life" that we must live by if we are to be truly "conformed to the image of the Son" and be raised to "sit with Him on His Throne" in that Day to govern the nations of the earth.
Again... that IS the GOAL! To become "one with Christ Jesus as He is One with the Father." (John 17:21)

Oh glory! May we let no man "steal our crown" and rob us of our inheritance by the preaching of "another gospel" that prevents the necessary repentance, obedience and transformation that the Scripture teaches and sets forth as the great plan & purpose of God.
Peace & Blessings to all!

Whoa.

You've totally voided what happened at the cross!!!

Forgiveness is not just for unbelievers. It's for all of us and we daily need to repent and receive what Jesus won for us. When we ignore the forgiveness that Jesus won we turn to ourselves and that won't get you far. You're preaching a Gospel other than Jesus Christ crucified for us. IS HE YOUR REDEEMER or are YOU?

 

[MennoSota]

Forgiveness of sins is for those outside the church. Once we've been saved and enlightened, and the Spirit begins to show us our shortcomings, we must repent of them and obey the commands of God given through Jesus Christ.
There is no 'eternal state of forgiveness' that we enter into. As Peter wrote, we must DO the things commanded and ADD to our faith. If we don't we've forgotten that we were forgiven of our "past sins." Paul says grace will not cover continued sin, and the writer of Hebrews warns that willful known sins we commit after we have been 'saved' will bring only destruction upon us.

Modern preaching has made it seem as though God is begging us to 'accept His Son', so He can forgive us eternally, somehow not see our sins anymore, and then bring us into the spirit realm when we die, even if we have not been obedient.
And this obedience is to the commandments of Christ. “If you love Me, keep My commandments." (John 14:15). And for the record, there is no command to 'accept Christ' as I have heard preached, which is not Bible. No, the commandments are the Eternal Moral Law of God, the "Law of the Spirit of Life" that we must live by if we are to be truly "conformed to the image of the Son" and be raised to "sit with Him on His Throne" in that Day to govern the nations of the earth.
Again... that IS the GOAL! To become "one with Christ Jesus as He is One with the Father." (John 17:21)

Oh glory! May we let no man "steal our crown" and rob us of our inheritance by the preaching of "another gospel" that prevents the necessary repentance, obedience and transformation that the Scripture teaches and sets forth as the great plan & purpose of God.
Peace & Blessings to all!

Galatians 3:1-29 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”? Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith. To give a human example, brothers:even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise. Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one. Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

 

[Michael]

Whoa.

You've totally voided what happened at the cross!!!

Forgiveness is not just for unbelievers. It's for all of us and we daily need to repent and receive what Jesus won for us. When we ignore the forgiveness that Jesus won we turn to ourselves and that won't get you far. You're preaching a Gospel other than Jesus Christ crucified for us. IS HE YOUR REDEEMER or are YOU?

Just preaching some Truth sister!!

Of course He is my redeemer. Do I now dare to continue to sin and expect Him to continually forgive me? Sorry, my Bible (all 37 translations I have) say otherwise.

As brother Psalm 91 has pointed out already... The Scripture declares several times that "believers" who continue in sin "will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God." Period. There can be zero argument. Nothing Jesus says can negate that. If so... then every verse in the Bible is suspect, including John 3:16 (which by the way, Jesus never spoke to the crowds, only to one single Pharisee. But we won't touch that sacred cow in this thread!)

Oh Yes indeed, the GOAL set before the Elect is to be actually "conformed in to the image of the Son of God." Ain't gonna happen if we allow sin to remain in our lives and somehow expect Jesus to repent for us.

 

[MennoSota]

Just preaching some Truth sister!!

Of course He is my redeemer. Do I now dare to continue to sin and expect Him to continually forgive me? Sorry, my Bible (all 37 translations I have) say otherwise.

As brother Psalm 91 has pointed out already... The Scripture declares several times that "believers" who continue in sin "will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God." Period. There can be zero argument. Nothing Jesus says can negate that. If so... then every verse in the Bible is suspect, including John 3:16 (which by the way, Jesus never spoke to the crowds, only to one single Pharisee. But we won't touch that sacred cow in this thread!)

Oh Yes indeed, the GOAL set before the Elect is to be actually "conformed in to the image of the Son of God." Ain't gonna happen if we allow sin to remain in our lives and somehow expect Jesus to repent for us.

What truth? You are rebuked by Paul in Galatians 3.

 

[Michael]

I really wonder if some attacking the Truth I share in this video even watched it?
From their comments, it appears they have not.
Oh well. There are those "with ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches." Some will receive God's Word. I leave that up to Him.
Again, it is to Him I must be faithful. I fear no man, only the Lord.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

You're not being faithful to what He says. Christ never taught that sinless perfection is attainable. Do your 37 translations include 1 John 1:8-10?

8)*If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the*truth is not in us.*9)*If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and*to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.*10)*If we say that we have not sinned, we*make Him a liar and*His word is not in us.


You claim He's given you "knowledge not taught in many churches." Also, what you teach clearly contradicts His revealed, divine Word as quoted above. You are, in fact, the very definition of a heretic, and yes, I've watched your video.

 

[Michael]

You're not being faithful to what He says. Christ never taught that sinless perfection is attainable. Do your 37 translations include 1 John 1:8-10?

8)*If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the*truth is not in us.*9)*If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and*to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.*10)*If we say that we have not sinned, we*make Him a liar and*His word is not in us.


You claim He's given you "knowledge not taught in many churches." Also, what you teach clearly contradicts His revealed, divine Word as quoted above. You are, in fact, the very definition of a heretic, and yes, I've watched your video.

Amen. I agree with this passage 100%! And thanks for watching! I'm sure God spoke to you as I shared what He gave me to speak. May you have heard His voice.

Of course we know John in his letter is writing to those in the churches who thought they had already 'arrived' and were already perfected, as many mistakenly do today, thinking they are "perfect" in God's eyes because of what Jesus has done.

As we continue reading the entire letter of 1John, we find that if sin remains in our life, then we do not really know Him as we claim -

"Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God." - 1John 3:4-9

And let us remember, ALL the epistles were written to 'saved' people, so John's exhortation is directly to those we would call "Christians" today.
Many church-goers are sadly deceived today thinking that 'imputed' righteousness will carry them through to the Day of the Lord. John, as well as Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, Jude & the writer of Hebrews tells us otherwise. We will be clothed in that Day wiht what we DO in this life, not what we claim to 'believe.' (2Cor 5:1-4, Rev 19:8)

Believe me, friend, I'm not here to argue or push an agenda. We are all on this journey together. And the Word of God IS greatly suppressed in the churches at large today. So along with others, I stand as a "watchman" on the wall and proclaim the Truth of God to the Elect. As most rejected Jesus and the Apostles & Prophets, most of the religious folk will ignore or dismiss the Truth I share. But Jesus warned that would happen, so I find myself in good company. :ange06:

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

You are here to push an agenda and your agenda is to push sinless perfection as both attainable and the truth. Also you say that forgiveness is only for those outside the church. This is also not true.

 

[Michael]

You are here to push an agenda and your agenda is to push sinless perfection as bothattainable and the truth. Also younsay that forgiveness is only for those outside the church. This is also not true.

You are entitled to your opinion sir. It's entirely up to you to accept or reject God's Word and what I say.

I've used the 'ignore' feature on this site. You can ignore me if what I say offends you so much. The Cross indeed offends, and therefore men seek to avoid it. Paul warned many would shun the Word of God that makes any demands on us. But opinions don't matter. Truth does.

"For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." - 1Cor 1:18

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

You're not offensive. You're a heretic. Learn the difference. I don't need to ignore you. I've seen your kind before, you're nothing new under the sun.

 

[Michael]

You're not offensive. You're a heretic. Learn the difference. I don't need to ignore you. I've seen your kind before, you're nothing new under the sun.

Oh, young man, what more can I say?

Time to shake the dust from my feet and move on... :stickguy:

 

[MennoSota]

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatian! Who has bewitched you?

 

[Michael]

The Apostle's GOAL

Have we ever wondered why none of the Apostles or First Century Disciples ever mentioned "going to heaven" as their goal?
Truthfully, it's because the Old Testament didn't set that forth as the goal; and Jesus never taught that the spirit realm was our eternal home.

The Apostle Paul - whose writings are often taken out of context (as Peter said they would be (2Pet 3:16)), and then used to supersede even what Jesus taught - speaks on his goal here in Philippians.

"What things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. 16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind."
- Phil 3:7-16

Paul knew he hadn't attained the goal God has for His children, and that he must prove worthy of it or risk being "disqualified" if he went outside of God's will. He didn't count his perfect adherence to the regulations and ordinances of the Law of Moses as his "righteousness", but rather his faith and trust in Christ enabled him to walk in obedience and faithfulness before God and be approved of Him for his diligence and perseverance. Paul "pressed on toward the goal" because he knew he had "attained" to it yet. His confession and baptism and belief in Christ was not enough to bring him through. And he wrote that "those who are mature" will understand that none of us "have already attained, or been perfected", but that we absolutely will if we walk in repentance, obedience and holiness before God. Yes, we will "come after" Jesus, and "appear with Him as He is" if we "purify ourselves", "present our bodies a living sacrifice" and "deny ourselves, pick up our cross daily and follow Jesus." (Luke 9:23, Rom 12:1-2, 1John 3:1-3)

We may pick a few other verses we like and grasp desperately to them as our 'ticket', but without the "full counsel of God" we are truly wandering that "wide path." May we not neglect "so great a salvation" (Heb 2:3) that is the goal God has for us, and find we have gotten comfortable and settled for a far lesser goal that is the tradition of man.

"Then those who feared the Lord spoke to one another,
And the Lord listened and heard them;
So a book of remembrance was written before Him
For those who fear the Lord
And who meditate on His Name.
17 “They shall be Mine,” says the Lord of hosts,
“On the day that I make them My jewels.
And I will spare them
As a man spares his own son who serves him.”
18 Then you shall again discern
Between the righteous and the wicked,
Between one who serves God
And one who does not serve Him."
- Mal 3:16-18

Amen.
God's wisdom and understanding to us all.

 

[MennoSota]

2 Timothy 4:6-8 For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that Day, and not only to me but also to all who have loved his appearing.

 

[MennoSota]

2 Peter 1:1-4 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire.

 

[Michael]

2 Peter 1:1-4 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire.

Amen! Another of my favorite passages. And Peter continues, exhorting the saints to "add to their faith" actions which will "make their call and election sure."
Because those who truly believed have been "granted all things that pertain to life and godliness", then if we neglect to use what He has given us, and actually DO the things required of us, our eternity will be in danger.

"But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."
- 2Pet 1:5-11

I love reading the Scripture in context. The context of not only the time and period, but also WHO the writer or Teacher is addressing and of course receiving ALL that they are conveying to the reader/hearer. For as in a recipe for a dinner dish... to leave out a single ingredient can ruin the meal. So too, receiving only the verses telling us of what God or Jesus did without receiving also our part and then obeying Their commands to us, the end result will not be what God ordained and we will be found lacking and miss out on that "abundant entrance into the everlasting Kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

I do appreciate the feedback and the sharing with one another God's Word. Truly we can glean from each other and grow in our faith and understanding.
Peace & Blessings to you as you walk with Jesus.

 

[Michael]

The Inheritance of Creation

I've mentioned "inheritance" a couple times in this thread, speaking of God's great plan and purpose for Creation - His GOAL.

I've shared an essay on that, looking in-depth into the promises of God from the Scripture regarding the inheritance for those who attain to becoming One with Christ.
For any interested, the not-that-short article can be found here -

http://to-him-who-overcomes.com/greatest-gift

Peace & Blessings to all who walk with Jesus.

 

[MennoSota]

The absolute last thing we need is another revival period in Christianity. Didn't Charles Finney do enough damage?

The full-on Pelagian, Charles Finney. Indeed, his revivals lead to Joseph Smith and other cult leaders walking sinners down the path to destruction like pied pipers.

 

[MennoSota]

I know this Truth isn't taught in most churches around the globe, but it is Bible and the goal set before us.

The above quote is the mantra of cult leaders. The sheep will ignore that voice because it is not the voice of their Shepherd, Jesus Christ.

 

[MennoSota]

Amen! Another of my favorite passages. And Peter continues, exhorting the saints to "add to their faith" actions which will "make their call and election sure."
Because those who truly believed have been "granted all things that pertain to life and godliness", then if we neglect to use what He has given us, and actually DO the things required of us, our eternity will be in danger.

"But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."
- 2Pet 1:5-11

I love reading the Scripture in context. The context of not only the time and period, but also WHO the writer or Teacher is addressing and of course receiving ALL that they are conveying to the reader/hearer. For as in a recipe for a dinner dish... to leave out a single ingredient can ruin the meal. So too, receiving only the verses telling us of what God or Jesus did without receiving also our part and then obeying Their commands to us, the end result will not be what God ordained and we will be found lacking and miss out on that "abundant entrance into the everlasting Kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

I do appreciate the feedback and the sharing with one another God's Word. Truly we can glean from each other and grow in our faith and understanding.
Peace & Blessings to you as you walk with Jesus.

If you understood the context you would see how terribly wrong you are.