Verses on Baptism

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Best practice with videos is to keep them 5 minutes or less. Most people won't even listen if they see longer posts. You'll miss out on the vast majority of people casting a net on the internet or YouTube.
Perhaps God should direct you to be more succinct.

Ha! Most of the church services I attended for years went well past 2 hours. Used to be at church 3-4 times a week. I, myself, have sat with the saints and taught 6,7,8 hours on occasion discussing the Kingdom of God, and we wished time would permit longer. ;)
An in-depth study I did on Romans chapter 8 alone took almost 6-months to teach at our church, and the notes on my website from it reached 200 pages! With not a single wasted word. :D
Now, I do listen to and glean from snippets of God's Word from certain individuals, but honestly, for the most part, the 5-10 minute, or 1-2 page type teaching is for when we first start our walk with the Lord... but as we hopefully grow and our hunger increases, and we get into the "meat", the "solid food" of God's Word, that type of brevity just won't cut it. And truthfully, I'm not out to appeal to the masses. I know most will dismiss or reject what I say; just as the Apostles and Prophets and Jesus Himself were rejected by the majority. So I count that I'm in good company. My commission is to "plant" and "water" and then step back and let "God bring the increase." And there has been fruit for His Kingdom in the ministry He has given me. I never sought this. He called Me. It's all about Him. "I must decrease, that He may increase."
This is just where I'm at in my personal journey. Not saying we all should be there. We all learn differently. Just speaking from experience. :)

Peace & Blessings to all.
 

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Ha! Most of the church services I attended for years went well past 2 hours. Used to be at church 3-4 times a week. I, myself, have sat with the saints and taught 6,7,8 hours on occasion discussing the Kingdom of God, and we wished time would permit longer. ;)
An in-depth study I did on Romans chapter 8 alone took almost 6-months to teach at our church, and the notes on my website from it reached 200 pages! With not a single wasted word. :D
Now, I do listen to and glean from snippets of God's Word from certain individuals, but honestly, for the most part, the 5-10 minute, or 1-2 page type teaching is for when we first start our walk with the Lord... but as we hopefully grow and our hunger increases, and we get into the "meat", the "solid food" of God's Word, that type of brevity just won't cut it. And truthfully, I'm not out to appeal to the masses. I know most will dismiss or reject what I say; just as the Apostles and Prophets and Jesus Himself were rejected by the majority. So I count that I'm in good company. My commission is to "plant" and "water" and then step back and let "God bring the increase." And there has been fruit for His Kingdom in the ministry He has given me. I never sought this. He called Me. It's all about Him. "I must decrease, that He may increase."
This is just where I'm at in my personal journey. Not saying we all should be there. We all learn differently. Just speaking from experience. :)

Peace & Blessings to all.
Sometimes it's about meat. Sometimes it's about pride and one upsmanship. I don't know you. I don't know where you land on that spectrum.
In any case, very few people will watch your videos or read your writings if they are as long as you claim. It doesn't make those saints infants in Christ. It makes them discerners of their opportunity cost.
Now, will you share a verse on baptism and explain how it fits in your pov regarding the work that baptism accomplishes?
 

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Sometimes it's about meat. Sometimes it's about pride and one upsmanship. I don't know you. I don't know where you land on that spectrum.
In any case, very few people will watch your videos or read your writings if they are as long as you claim. It doesn't make those saints infants in Christ. It makes them discerners of their opportunity cost.
Now, will you share a verse on baptism and explain how it fits in your pov regarding the work that baptism accomplishes?
Cutting off some bias algorithms and simply listening to something beyond my expectations may be a predestined experience (by God!) for myself as well others, I may be part of that "very few" ;)
 

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Cutting off some bias algorithms and simply listening to something beyond my expectations may be a predestined experience (by God!) for myself as well others, I may be part of that "very few" ;)

Indeed, the Lord said that "many are called, but few chosen" and that "it is a narrow gate and a hard road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

Along with you, brother, I want to be among those few who attain to the fullness of God's promises. This Journey we are on, walking with Jesus the Way of the Cross, is not for the timid or fearful. Nor is it cheap; truly it will cost us everything: the surrender of our time, our desires, our heart, our very life to Him, if we are to receive the "crown of Life" in that Day.
One of my favorite verses in Scripture tells us -

"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing,
but the honor of kings is to search out a matter."

- Prov 25:2

If we has called us to be "kings", then we must expend ourselves in searching out what God has concealed. Otherwise His Word will come to us as parables and, and as Jesus said of such...
"‘Seeing they may see and not perceive,
And hearing they may hear and not understand;
Lest they should turn,
And their sins be forgiven them.’ ”

- Mark 4:12

May we be counted among those who are "the called, chosen and faithful" when the Lord is made manifest.

Peace & Blessings to you as you walk with Jesus.
 

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Indeed, the Lord said that "many are called, but few chosen" and that "it is a narrow gate and a hard road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

Along with you, brother, I want to be among those few who attain to the fullness of God's promises. This Journey we are on, walking with Jesus the Way of the Cross, is not for the timid or fearful. Nor is it cheap; truly it will cost us everything: the surrender of our time, our desires, our heart, our very life to Him, if we are to receive the "crown of Life" in that Day.
One of my favorite verses in Scripture tells us -

"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing,
but the honor of kings is to search out a matter."

- Prov 25:2

If we has called us to be "kings", then we must expend ourselves in searching out what God has concealed. Otherwise His Word will come to us as parables and, and as Jesus said of such...
"‘Seeing they may see and not perceive,
And hearing they may hear and not understand;
Lest they should turn,
And their sins be forgiven them.’ ”

- Mark 4:12

May we be counted among those who are "the called, chosen and faithful" when the Lord is made manifest.

Peace & Blessings to you as you walk with Jesus.
How does this apply to baptism?
Second, it seems to me you may struggle with God's unmerited favor to those he has chosen.
 

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How does this apply to baptism?
Second, it seems to me you may struggle with God's unmerited favor to those he has chosen.

No. No struggle. Only sadness at times that so many are walking in delusion in the churches today, thinking they are secure even though they have not repented (turned away) from their sins. How many can truly say they have "resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin" that they might truly be free and deemed "righteous" in God's sight, because of their works, which is what we all will be judged by in that Day.
Many have misunderstood and "received the grace of God in vain" and are "lukewarm" in the eyes of God.

My own prayer is that the churches teach the whole Truth of the Gospel.... For truly, friends, God determines whether we are a Christian by what we do (our choices, our deeds, our actions), not by what we say we believe in. Never does God judge or reward anyone by their doctrine or statement of faith. He judges and rewards all men according to our works. (Psalm 62:12, Prov 24:12, Jer 17:10, Jer 32:19, Eze 33:20, Lam 3:64, Matt 16:27, John 5:28-29, Rom 2:6, Rom 14:12, 2 Cor 5:10, 1 Pet 1:17, Rev 20:12, Rev 22:12 for starters...)

And "baptism" is far more than a symbolic thing. Baptism is True transformation and takes a lifetime. The Light of that great Day will reveal those who truly have been "baptized."

God's wisdom and understanding to us all.
Peace!
 
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No. No struggle. Only sadness at times that so many are walking in delusion in the churches today, thinking they are secure even though they have not repented (turned away) from their sins. How many can truly say they have "resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin" that they might truly be free and deemed "righteous" in God's sight, because of their works, which is what we all will be judged by in that Day.
Many have misunderstood and "received the grace of God in vain" and are "lukewarm" in the eyes of God.

My own prayer is that the churches teach the whole Truth of the Gospel.... For truly, friends, God determines whether we are a Christian by what we do (our choices, our deeds, our actions), not by what we say we believe in. Never does God judge or reward anyone by their doctrine or statement of faith. He judges and rewards all men according to our works. (Psalm 62:12, Prov 24:12, Jer 17:10, Jer 32:19, Eze 33:20, Lam 3:64, Matt 16:27, John 5:28-29, Rom 2:6, Rom 14:12, 2 Cor 5:10, 1 Pet 1:17, Rev 20:12, Rev 22:12 for starters...)

And "baptism" is far more than a symbolic thing. Baptism is True transformation and takes a lifetime. The Light of that great Day will reveal those who truly have been "baptized."

God's wisdom and understanding to us all.
Peace!

Do you ever entertain that you may have some delusion yourself?
I read what you are saying and I see someone who will not accept God's grace as being sufficient, but instead demands his own works in order to merit God's favor.
Is God insufficient to save those whom He wills? Is Jesus atonement not enough? Must you be responsible for your own salvation?
God chooses wicked, wretched sinners to redeem without any merit achieved by these sinners. He chooses not only to redeem, but also to justify via Jesus atoning sacrifice. Even more, God chooses to sanctify these sinners and refine them as His children.
What you are doing is denying that Jesus work is sufficient for you.
 

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Do you ever entertain that you may have some delusion yourself?
I read what you are saying and I see someone who will not accept God's grace as being sufficient, but instead demands his own works in order to merit God's favor.
Is God insufficient to save those whom He wills? Is Jesus atonement not enough? Must you be responsible for your own salvation?
God chooses wicked, wretched sinners to redeem without any merit achieved by these sinners. He chooses not only to redeem, but also to justify via Jesus atoning sacrifice. Even more, God chooses to sanctify these sinners and refine them as His children.
What you are doing is denying that Jesus work is sufficient for you.
Could you offer him some scriptures that support unmerited favor of the saints and workmanship for works preordained for the Saints?
Edit: or not, forgot for a second what the topic was, my apologize
 

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Could you offer him some scriptures that support unmerited favor of the saints and workmanship for works preordained for the Saints?
Edit: or not, forgot for a second what the topic was, my apologize
I did provide John 10. But, you are correct, this is about baptism and sharing how the verses on baptism support ones understanding of baptism.
 

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Do you ever entertain that you may have some delusion yourself?
I read what you are saying and I see someone who will not accept God's grace as being sufficient, but instead demands his own works in order to merit God's favor.
Is God insufficient to save those whom He wills? Is Jesus atonement not enough? Must you be responsible for your own salvation?
God chooses wicked, wretched sinners to redeem without any merit achieved by these sinners. He chooses not only to redeem, but also to justify via Jesus atoning sacrifice. Even more, God chooses to sanctify these sinners and refine them as His children.
What you are doing is denying that Jesus work is sufficient for you.

The Christian 'religion' teaches such doctrine very well.
My only issue is that the canon of Scripture does not teach it that way.
So many are stuck on their initial deliverance from bondage to sin; and they are still wandering in the wilderness thinking they have already obtained the promises of God. That I find heartbreaking.
Tell me, sir... why didn't the Apostle Paul rest comfortably in his "salvation"? If he taught anything close to an easy salvation in which filthy vile sinners are justified and on their way to heaven because they simply recited a prayer... why did he know that he had to do so much more?

"Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you."

- Phil 3:12-15

Are you, or any of us, truly pressing in as the Apostle, "that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead." (Phil 3:10-11).

I bring up this passage often with those who believe in the false doctrines of 'OSAS' or 'Faith alone' or the rapture fable. All these non-Biblical teachings serve only one purpose... to keep those God has called from repenting that He may "choose" them. And behind such false, "ear-tickling" preachment's are those "principalities and dark rulers in the heavenlies" that hate the Lord of Glory.

Sorry man, but this is what the Bible says. Very clearly. And so that is what I teach. Again, most will not receive it, just as most did not receive the Apostles who taught the very same thing. But God will always have His remnant. And these saints who overcome will be those who receive the promise -

"He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son." - Rev 21:7
 

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The Christian 'religion' teaches such doctrine very well.
My only issue is that the canon of Scripture does not teach it that way.
So many are stuck on their initial deliverance from bondage to sin; and they are still wandering in the wilderness thinking they have already obtained the promises of God. That I find heartbreaking.
Tell me, sir... why didn't the Apostle Paul rest comfortably in his "salvation"? If he taught anything close to an easy salvation in which filthy vile sinners are justified and on their way to heaven because they simply recited a prayer... why did he know that he had to do so much more?

"Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you."

- Phil 3:12-15

Are you, or any of us, truly pressing in as the Apostle, "that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead." (Phil 3:10-11).

I bring up this passage often with those who believe in the false doctrines of 'OSAS' or 'Faith alone' or the rapture fable. All these non-Biblical teachings serve only one purpose... to keep those God has called from repenting that He may "choose" them. And behind such false, "ear-tickling" preachment's are those "principalities and dark rulers in the heavenlies" that hate the Lord of Glory.

Sorry man, but this is what the Bible says. Very clearly. And so that is what I teach. Again, most will not receive it, just as most did not receive the Apostles who taught the very same thing. But God will always have His remnant. And these saints who overcome will be those who receive the promise -

"He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son." - Rev 21:7
Michael, such a man-centered theology...
Here is what Paul concludes about God and God's sufficiency.

Romans 8:31-39 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 

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The Christian 'religion' teaches such doctrine very well.
My only issue is that the canon of Scripture does not teach it that way.
So many are stuck on their initial deliverance from bondage to sin; and they are still wandering in the wilderness thinking they have already obtained the promises of God. That I find heartbreaking.
Tell me, sir... why didn't the Apostle Paul rest comfortably in his "salvation"? If he taught anything close to an easy salvation in which filthy vile sinners are justified and on their way to heaven because they simply recited a prayer... why did he know that he had to do so much more?

"Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you."

- Phil 3:12-15

Are you, or any of us, truly pressing in as the Apostle, "that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead." (Phil 3:10-11).

I bring up this passage often with those who believe in the false doctrines of 'OSAS' or 'Faith alone' or the rapture fable. All these non-Biblical teachings serve only one purpose... to keep those God has called from repenting that He may "choose" them. And behind such false, "ear-tickling" preachment's are those "principalities and dark rulers in the heavenlies" that hate the Lord of Glory.

Sorry man, but this is what the Bible says. Very clearly. And so that is what I teach. Again, most will not receive it, just as most did not receive the Apostles who taught the very same thing. But God will always have His remnant. And these saints who overcome will be those who receive the promise -

"He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son." - Rev 21:7
Let us see what Paul is saying in Philippians 3:8-21
Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him,
not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law,
but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead.
Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own,
because Christ Jesus has made me his own.
Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own.
But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you. Only let us hold true to what we have attained. Brothers, join in imitating me, and keep your eyes on those who walk according to the example you have in us. For many, of whom I have often told you and now tell you even with tears, walk as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things.

But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.

Notice that in this passage, Paul is going out of his way to show you that he, Paul, cannot secure his own salvation by his own works. No.
Paul continually shows us that God will secure Paul's salvation and has already secured Paul's salvation.
Paul also states that some, who tried to save themselves have fallen away, much to Paul's sadness. These people had YOUR theology that they were responsible to save themselves. They failed and thus left the fellowship. They were never really adopted children of the King of Kings. Never chosen. Never in fellowship with God...even though they had fellowship with other Christians in the church. Unlike Paul, they did not have the faith, which God gifts to His children.

Notice what Paul tells us:
"not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law,"
That alone destroys your teaching.
"because Christ Jesus has made me his own."
Notice what God does. When God makes us His own, can we somehow thwart His will? No, we cannot.
"But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself."
Here is the promise of God to the elect. Notice what God will do for us. It is this promise that we hold onto.
Yet, you deny that promise through your man-centered, self-righteous means of attaining salvation. Michael, your teaching is anathema to God and His holy word. How I wish those whom you teach would see the peril they are under if they follow your graceless teaching. May your teaching be anathema by God's direct ordination so that no other person's walk your path of self-righteousness.
 

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Baptism (excerpt from 1Cor 10 Study)

BAPTISM

“Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.”
- 1Cor 10:1-2 NKJV

I believe this is important to look at. Oddly, baptism - although widely taught by Jesus, John & the Apostles (including Paul) - is still misunderstood in the churches today. Great arguments often arise among the saints as to its place in salvation. This topic deserves an in-depth lengthy study on its own; but let us look briefly at baptism here, as Paul equates what Israel experienced in the Exodus at the Red Sea with our own personal journey from darkness to Light.

On the Day of Pentecost, after the disciples had been visited and empowered by the Holy Spirit, Peter spoke to the masses who had gathered in Jerusalem for the feast.

“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” 37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
– Acts 2:36-39 NKJV

This word – from what some have called the first Christian sermon - was preached by the Apostle Peter on that first Pentecost after the death and Resurrection of the Messiah. He preached repentance and baptism to all and any who would desire to have the salvation and new life that these men had found in the Lord Jesus Christ.

“And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.” 41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.”
– Acts 2:40-41 NKJV

Whenever a soul was brought to the knowledge of Christ Jesus in the New Testament there was always a water baptism. (John 4:1-2, Acts 2:41, 8:12, 8:36-38, 10:47-48, 16:14-15, 16:32-34, 19:4-5).

This was the same message that God had sent John the Baptist to proclaim.

“In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, 2 and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!”
5 Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him 6 and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.”

– Matt 3:1-2,5-6 NKJV

“I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.”
– Matt 3:11 NKJV

The Greek word we use for ‘baptize’ is ‘baptizo’ which means to “make overwhelmed”, from the root word ‘bapto’ meaning, “to overwhelm, to immerse or dip.”

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Keeping it simple here, before we get too involved, let us say that baptism by immersion in water signifies our being cleansed from our past sins, being separated from the world unto God, and dedicating ourselves to Him. In this we are preparing ourselves to come into His presence. (The baptism of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of fire we will discuss later.) From my study of the Scriptures, I have come to believe that this “cleansing” was not a new concept exclusive to the New Testament. Let’s take a look…

When the newly set free Israelite’s were to meet with the God who had saved them, they were to cleanse themselves by washing before they came before Him.

“On the third new moon after the people of Israel had gone forth out of the land of Egypt, on that day they came into the wilderness of Sinai. 2 And when they set out from Reph′idim and came into the wilderness of Sinai, they encamped in the wilderness; and there Israel encamped before the mountain. 3 And Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him out of the mountain, saying, “Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the people of Israel: 4 You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings and brought you to Myself. 5 Now therefore, if you will obey My voice and keep My covenant, you shall be My own possession among all peoples; for all the earth is Mine, 6 and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”

7 So Moses came and called the elders of the people, and set before them all these words which the Lord had commanded him. 8 And all the people answered together and said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do.” And Moses reported the words of the people to the Lord. 9 And the Lord said to Moses. “Lo, I am coming to you in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with you, and may also believe you for ever.”

Then Moses told the words of the people to the Lord. 10 And the Lord said to Moses, “Go to the people and consecrate them today and tomorrow, and let them wash their garments, 11 and be ready by the third day; for on the third day the Lord will come down upon Mount Sinai in the sight of all the people.”

– Ex 19:1-11 RSV

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That calling to be a “kingdom of priests” has been for some throughout the ages as well. (Rev 1:5b-6, 5:9-10). The New Testament epistles charge us to be consecrated; to purify and cleanse ourselves (2Cor 7:1, 1John 3:1-3, James 4:7-8).


קָדַשׁ

qadash (Strong’s Heb 6942)

to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate

A primitive root; to be (causatively make, pronounce or observe as) clean (ceremonially or morally)


- for those interested.. more can be seen here - https://to-him-who-overcomes.com/entries/1corinthians-10-study/1corinthians-10-part-5--baptism

Peace & Blessings to all,
Michael
 

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“Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.”
- 1Cor 10:1-2 NKJV

I believe this is important to look at. Oddly, baptism - although widely taught by Jesus, John & the Apostles (including Paul) - is still misunderstood in the churches today. Great arguments often arise among the saints as to its place in salvation. This topic deserves an in-depth lengthy study on its own; but let us look briefly at baptism here, as Paul equates what Israel experienced in the Exodus at the Red Sea with our own personal journey from darkness to Light.

On the Day of Pentecost, after the disciples had been visited and empowered by the Holy Spirit, Peter spoke to the masses who had gathered in Jerusalem for the feast.

“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” 37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
– Acts 2:36-39 NKJV

This word – from what some have called the first Christian sermon - was preached by the Apostle Peter on that first Pentecost after the death and Resurrection of the Messiah. He preached repentance and baptism to all and any who would desire to have the salvation and new life that these men had found in the Lord Jesus Christ.

“And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.” 41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.”
– Acts 2:40-41 NKJV

Whenever a soul was brought to the knowledge of Christ Jesus in the New Testament there was always a water baptism. (John 4:1-2, Acts 2:41, 8:12, 8:36-38, 10:47-48, 16:14-15, 16:32-34, 19:4-5).

This was the same message that God had sent John the Baptist to proclaim.

“In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, 2 and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!”
5 Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him 6 and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.”

– Matt 3:1-2,5-6 NKJV

“I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.”
– Matt 3:11 NKJV

The Greek word we use for ‘baptize’ is ‘baptizo’ which means to “make overwhelmed”, from the root word ‘bapto’ meaning, “to overwhelm, to immerse or dip.”

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Keeping it simple here, before we get too involved, let us say that baptism by immersion in water signifies our being cleansed from our past sins, being separated from the world unto God, and dedicating ourselves to Him. In this we are preparing ourselves to come into His presence. (The baptism of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of fire we will discuss later.) From my study of the Scriptures, I have come to believe that this “cleansing” was not a new concept exclusive to the New Testament. Let’s take a look…

When the newly set free Israelite’s were to meet with the God who had saved them, they were to cleanse themselves by washing before they came before Him.

“On the third new moon after the people of Israel had gone forth out of the land of Egypt, on that day they came into the wilderness of Sinai. 2 And when they set out from Reph′idim and came into the wilderness of Sinai, they encamped in the wilderness; and there Israel encamped before the mountain. 3 And Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him out of the mountain, saying, “Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the people of Israel: 4 You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings and brought you to Myself. 5 Now therefore, if you will obey My voice and keep My covenant, you shall be My own possession among all peoples; for all the earth is Mine, 6 and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”

7 So Moses came and called the elders of the people, and set before them all these words which the Lord had commanded him. 8 And all the people answered together and said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do.” And Moses reported the words of the people to the Lord. 9 And the Lord said to Moses. “Lo, I am coming to you in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with you, and may also believe you for ever.”

Then Moses told the words of the people to the Lord. 10 And the Lord said to Moses, “Go to the people and consecrate them today and tomorrow, and let them wash their garments, 11 and be ready by the third day; for on the third day the Lord will come down upon Mount Sinai in the sight of all the people.”

– Ex 19:1-11 RSV

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That calling to be a “kingdom of priests” has been for some throughout the ages as well. (Rev 1:5b-6, 5:9-10). The New Testament epistles charge us to be consecrated; to purify and cleanse ourselves (2Cor 7:1, 1John 3:1-3, James 4:7-8).


קָדַשׁ

qadash (Strong’s Heb 6942)

to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate

A primitive root; to be (causatively make, pronounce or observe as) clean (ceremonially or morally)


- for those interested.. more can be seen here - https://to-him-who-overcomes.com/entries/1corinthians-10-study/1corinthians-10-part-5--baptism

Peace & Blessings to all,
Michael

First, in 1 Corinthians 10, the baptism (immersion) is into Moses. It's not believers baptism at all.
Second, the baptisms performed before Christ's death, burial and resurrection were all unto repentance in the nation of Israel, not unto salvation.
Third, the water baptisms in Acts are all after people have been gifted faith, never before. Therefore water baptism does nothing to save a person.
Fourth, baptism is not always water baptism. The Holy Spirit baptizes (immerses) us into Christ. The physical, water, baptism symbolizes the spiritual, Spirit, baptism that occurs at the time God chooses to adopt us and call us His children.
 
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[Galatians 3:23-29 NASB] 23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor [to lead us] to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise.

Baptism is about unity of the body, not about division.

The Baptist Faith and Message 2000 has this to say specifically about “Baptism”

Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer's faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, the believer's death to sin, the burial of the old life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus. It is a testimony to his faith in the final resurrection of the dead. Being a church ordinance, it is prerequisite to the privileges of church membership and to the Lord's Supper.​

While many of my brothers and sisters in Christ will disagree about the details of the meaning of baptism and what spiritual dimension may or may not be linked to it, and even the mode of baptism ... if you are a brother or sister in Christ then you will agree that baptism is performed in the name of the “Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit”, so we were baptized in the same name. You will also agree that it is an act of obedience, so we are all being obedient to the same Lord. It is an act of faith, so we are all placing our faith in the same Jesus. It is an act that unites us in the crucifixion, burial and resurrection of our Savior. It is an act that marks the death of our sin and the burial of our old life and the start of our new life in Christ Jesus. You will agree that our baptism testifies to our faith in our final resurrection, and you will agree that it separates those of the Church from those of the world.

Here is what the Baptist Faith and Message 2000 has to say about “the Church”

A New Testament church of the Lord Jesus Christ is an autonomous local congregation of baptized believers, associated by covenant in the faith and fellowship of the gospel; observing the two ordinances of Christ, governed by His laws, exercising the gifts, rights, and privileges invested in them by His Word, and seeking to extend the gospel to the ends of the earth. Each congregation operates under the Lordship of Christ through democratic processes. In such a congregation each member is responsible and accountable to Christ as Lord. Its scriptural officers are pastors and deacons. While both men and women are gifted for service in the church, the office of pastor is limited to men as qualified by Scripture.

The New Testament speaks also of the church as the Body of Christ which includes all of the redeemed of all the ages, believers from every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation.​

Again, many of my Christian brothers and sisters will take issue with some of the details about how the Local Baptist Churches choose to govern themselves. However, I call your attention to the last sentence. If you are a brother or sister in Christ, then you will agree that the true Church is the Body of Christ, all of the redeemed from all of the ages and including BELIEVERS from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.

So BAPTISM is the admission into the Church, the Church is the Body of Christ and all who are baptized into Christ are part of the same body.

That is my verse on Baptism.
 

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[Galatians 3:23-29 NASB] 23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor [to lead us] to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise.



Amen. Baptism "clothes" us in Christ.





atpollard said:
Christian baptism is the immersion


Of course, no Scripture teaches that.




atpollard said:
of a believer


Obviously, no Scripture teaches that.


atpollard said:
It is an act of obedience


Of course, no Scripture teaches that.



atpollard said:
symbolizing


Obviously, no Scripture teaches that.



atpollard said:
It is a testimony


Of course, no Scripture teaches that.




atpollard said:
It is an act that unites us in the crucifixion, burial and resurrection of our Savior.


So, Baptism does GREAT things! And to be united to His death and resurrection is to be saved, is it not?





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Amen. Baptism "clothes" us in Christ.








Of course, no Scripture teaches that.







Obviously, no Scripture teaches that.





Of course, no Scripture teaches that.






Obviously, no Scripture teaches that.






Of course, no Scripture teaches that.







So, Baptism does GREAT things! And to be united to His death and resurrection is to be saved, is it not?





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And zero scripture teaching baptism of infants or those who are still dead in their trespasses and sins.
All we have is Biblical examples of believers being baptized after coming to faith. So...we got that.
 

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Amen. Baptism "clothes" us in Christ.

Of course, no Scripture teaches that.

Obviously, no Scripture teaches that.

Of course, no Scripture teaches that.

Obviously, no Scripture teaches that.

Of course, no Scripture teaches that.

So, Baptism does GREAT things! And to be united to His death and resurrection is to be saved, is it not?
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[Proverbs 6:16-19]
16 There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
17 Haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
19 A false witness [who] utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers.
 
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BAPTISM

1Cor 10:1-2
“Moreover, brethren,
I do not want you to be unaware that
all our fathers were under the cloud,
all passed through the sea,
all were baptized into Moses
in the cloud and in the sea.”

- NKJV

I believe this is important to look at.

All of the Nation of Israel were baptized into Moses...
First in the Cloud on Mt Sanai...
Then in the Red Sea...
Moses is the figure [Typos] of Christ...

The first Baptism entered Israel into Moses...
The second Baptism destroyed their enemies...
Placing them in the wilderness...

As Christ fasted 40 days in the wilderness...
Immediately upon His Baptism by John...
And was then tempted by Satan...

IN the NT, we are told that we are Baptized into Christ...
That it is Christ Who Baptizes us into Christ...
By commanding His Apostles to Baptize all the Nations...

And we are told that the least of those in the Kingdom of the Heavens...
Is Greater than the Greatest of the OT saints including John the greatest of them...
The greatest did not have Baptism INTO Christ, you see...

Oddly, baptism - although widely taught by Jesus, John & the Apostles (including Paul) - is still misunderstood in the churches today. Great arguments often arise among the saints as to its place in salvation. This topic deserves an in-depth lengthy study on its own; but let us look briefly at baptism here, as Paul equates what Israel experienced in the Exodus at the Red Sea with our own personal journey from darkness to Light.

You are on a good track, my Brother Michael...
Indeed the starboard tack...
You have the right-of-way...

Keep this up and you will end up in the EOC...
And you will not be alone...
And none too soon...


Arsenios

ps - Have you considered the difference between the two Salvations?

eg - The Salvation found in the OT vs that found in the NT?
 
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