Jesus Christ, died for all

[RichWh1]

You are the one who already went off the deep end.

The Holy Bible says that faith without right action, like repenting of sins is DEAD and CANNOT SAVE ANYONE.

Now it sounds like you are preaching necromancy (preaching to the dead)



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[YourTruthGod]

Now it sounds like you are preaching necromancy (preaching to the dead)



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You don't know that necromancy is about people who physically died and their spirits only are living?

 

[YourTruthGod]

If our works were naturally good we wouldn't need the Holy Spirit to guide us then

Do you want me to show you from scripture how WHAT PEOPLE DID was accredited to them to get saved and receive the Holy Spirit?

 

[RichWh1]

You don't know that necromancy is about people who physically died and their spirits only are living?

A person who is not physically dead is able to respond to the Gospel.
All are spiritually dead! We are not physically dead! So we can respond to the Word


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[Josiah]

Those without justification ARE dead. Deader than a doorknob dead. They cannot do anything spiritual (unless you call sin and denying God spiritual).

Ephesians 2:1

Ephesians 2:13

Colossians 2:13


And one result is that the DEAD cannot give life to self, the DEAD cannot obey God, the DEAD cannot give self faith and salvation.


Ephesians 2:8-9

1 Corinthians 12:3



Now back to the subject: Is First John 2:2 (etc, etc.) correct OR is the not-yet-found verse that states that Jesus died ONLY for SOME correct?




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[MoreCoffee]

Those without justification ARE dead. Deader than a doorknob dead. They cannot do anything spiritual (unless you call sin and denying God spiritual).

Ephesians 2:1

Ephesians 2:13

Colossians 2:13


And one result is that the DEAD cannot give life to self, the DEAD cannot obey God, the DEAD cannot give self faith and salvation.


Ephesians 2:8-9

But they do all sorts of spiritual things according to the scriptures. They even get demons busy or get themselves possessed. Surely that is spiritual. Or did you want to exclude bad things from the meaning of "spiritual"? And, door knobs are not dead, they are swarming with all sorts of bacteria and other microscopic life

 

[YourTruthGod]

Those without justification ARE dead. Deader than a doorknob dead. They cannot do anything spiritual (unless you call sin and denying God spiritual).

Ephesians 2:1

Ephesians 2:13

Colossians 2:13


And one result is that the DEAD cannot give life to self, the DEAD cannot obey God, the DEAD cannot give self faith and salvation.


Ephesians 2:8-9

1 Corinthians 12:3



Now back to the subject: Is First John 2:2 (etc, etc.) correct OR is the not-yet-found verse that states that Jesus died ONLY for SOME correct?




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God does not save unrepentant unbelievers.

No one will be made alive until they do what they are hearing from the written Word of God and obeying.

 

[YourTruthGod]

But they do all sorts of spiritual things according to the scriptures. They even get demons busy or get themselves possessed. Surely that is spiritual. Or did you want to exclude bad things from the meaning of "spiritual"? And, door knobs are not dead, they are swarming with all sorts of bacteria and other microscopic life

Right, good stuff. They think only bad works get them saved!

 

[Josiah]

But they do all sorts of spiritual things according to the scriptures.

... just as the devil does. None of it good.


The DEAD certainly can't give themselves life.... can't give themseleves faith... can't give themselves salvation..... Yup, they can sin, they can hate God, they can deny God, they can serve the Devil. Perhaps you'd join with me, my Catholic brother, in the ancient Creed that affirms that the HOLY SPIRIT is the GIVER of life (not self)... cuz He is and because only God can give life (the lifeless can't create it themselves and give it to themselves).



Now back to the subject: Is First John 2:2 (etc, etc.) correct OR is the not-yet-found verse that states that Jesus died ONLY for SOME correct?

 

[YourTruthGod]

A person who is not physically dead is able to respond to the Gospel.
All are spiritually dead! We are not physically dead! So we can respond to the Word


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You contradict yourself and sound very confused.

 

[YourTruthGod]

... just as the devil does. None of it good.


The DEAD certainly can't give themselves life.... can't give themseleves faith... can't give themselves salvation..... Yup, they can sin, they can hate God, they can deny God, they can serve the Devil. Perhaps you'd join with me, my Catholic brother, in the ancient Creed that affirms that the HOLY SPIRIT is the GIVER of life (not self)... cuz He is and because only God can give life (the lifeless can't create it themselves and give it to themselves).



Now back to the subject: Is First John 2:2 (etc, etc.) correct OR is the not-yet-found verse that states that Jesus died ONLY for SOME correct?

GOD DOES NOT SAVE THOSE WHO HATE HIM.

 

[Josiah]

GOD DOES NOT SAVE THOSE WHO HATE HIM.

The dead can't love Him. They don't even believe He exists.

Ephesians 2:1

Ephesians 2:13

Colossians 2:13

Ephesians 2:8-9

1 Corinthians 12:3



Think Zombies (LOL) - yeah, they walk and their mouths move but it ain't a good thing. And they can't cure themselves.

Think Lazarus in the tomb.... DEAD.... stinking to high heaven dead.... Jesus called him but Lazarus couldn't hear or react because, well, he was DEAD. So JESUS performed a miracle and rised him to life; JESUS gets all the credit because JESUS did it all, JESUS gave life (not Lazarus to himself). Yes, THEN Lazarus could respond but it was not Lazarus walking out to the tomb that is the reason he was alive (Jesus thus wrong to be praised for this), it was Jesus giving him life.



Now back to the subject: Is First John 2:2 (etc, etc.) correct OR is the not-yet-found verse that states that Jesus died ONLY for SOME correct?




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[YourTruthGod]

The dead can't love Him. They don't even believe He exists.

Ephesians 2:1

Ephesians 2:13

Colossians 2:13

Ephesians 2:8-9



Think Zombies (LOL) - yeah, they walk and their mouths move but it ain't a good thing. And they can't cure themselves.

Think Lazarus in the tomb.... DEAD.... stinking to high heaven dead.... Jesus called him but Lazarus couldn't hear or react because, well, he was DEAD. So JESUS performed a miracle and rised him to life; JESUS gets all the credit because JESUS did it all, JESUS gave life (not Lazarus to himself). Yes, THEN Lazarus could respond but it was not Lazarus walking out to the tomb that is the reason he was alive (Jesus thus wrong to be praised for this), it was Jesus giving him life.

Those who reject Jesus and love their sins are dead, until they seek out God they are not zombies.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Proverbs 8:17 I love those who love me,

1 Samuel 2:30 "Therefore the LORD, the God of Israel, declares: 'I promised that members of your family would minister before me forever.' But now the LORD declares: 'Far be it from me! Those who honor me I will honor, but those who despise me will be disdained.


Psalm 91:14 "Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

John 14:23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

 

[Josiah]

Proverbs 8:17 I love those who love me,

1 Samuel 2:30 "Therefore the LORD, the God of Israel, declares: 'I promised that members of your family would minister before me forever.' But now the LORD declares: 'Far be it from me! Those who honor me I will honor, but those who despise me will be disdained.


Psalm 91:14 "Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

Where does it say that the dead, unregenerate one without spiritual life, without the Holy Spirit, LOVE God?

Yes, God loves perfect, sinless, loving, obedient people. But is that ALL He loves? Because if it is, EVERYONE is in deep, deep trouble.

If God only loves those who first love him, then He's not the savior but just rewards those who don't need Him (or at least not much from Him). You seem to have a theology that God meets dead folks half way, a "half way" Savior. And of course, no dead one meets God - any way. God comes down to us.

For God so loved the world..... Not for God only loves the living, loving, sinless folk who don't need much from Him cuz He ain't got much to give.



Now back to the subject: Is First John 2:2 (etc, etc.) correct OR is the not-yet-found verse that states that Jesus died ONLY for SOME correct?

 

[YourTruthGod]

These are some scriptures that show us that it matters what we do and it makes a difference when God chooses to save you and give you His Spirit.


Brothers, children of Abraham, and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent. Acts 13:26.

“This man deserves to have you do this. Luke 7:4

but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right. Acts 10:35

Lord told him, "Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. Acts 9:11

The men replied, "We have come from Cornelius the centurion. He is a righteous and God-fearing man, who is respected by all the Jewish people. A holy angel told him to ask you to come to his house so that he could hear what you have to say." Acts 10:22

and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me." Genesis 22:18

The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. Genesis 7:1

 

[YourTruthGod]

Where does it say that the dead, unregenerate one without spiritual life, without the Holy Spirit, LOVE God?

Yes, God loves perfect, sinless, loving, obedient people. But is that ALL He loves? Because if it is, EVERYONE is in deep, deep trouble.

If God only loves those who first love him, then He's not the savior but just rewards those who don't need Him (or at least not much from Him). You seem to have a theology that God meets dead folks half way, a "half way" Savior. And of course, no dead one meets God - any way. God comes down to us.

For God so loved the world..... Not for God only loves the living, loving, sinless folk who don't need much from Him cuz He ain't got much to give.



Now back to the subject: Is First John 2:2 (etc, etc.) correct OR is the not-yet-found verse that states that Jesus died ONLY for SOME correct?

God let's anyone who wants to be saved to come to Him to be saved. He tells us EXACTLY what to do to be the one He saves!

 

[MoreCoffee]

... just as the devil does. None of it good.

Cyrus did good things without being "saved".

 

[Josiah]

God let's anyone who wants to be saved to come to Him to be saved. He tells us EXACTLY what to do to be the one He saves!

I reject your very limited, "half way" Savior.


DEAD folks need a SAVIOR, not just one who meets the DEAD half way and rewords them. The word "Savior" means "one who rescues others from a desperate or hopeless situation." I'm a certified life guard. One of the things we were taught is typically, the one in danger of dying will make your job harder - they will work against you, flail against you, saving them often means in spite of them. Paramedics often need to save people who are unconscience, doing NOTHING to help themselves.


Try answering this:

WHO is the SAVIOR?


IF you answer "Jesus" then Jesus is the Savior. Not you - not a bit, not at all, not now, not ever, not in any way or shape or form or manner. Salvation is entirely, wholly wrapped up in Jesus. It's entirely HIS work. HIS heart. HIS love. HIS mercy. HIS gift. HIS blessing. His life, His death, His resurrection. His Cross, His blood, His sacrifice. His righteousness, His obedience, His holiness. Not you. Not yours. You may have some other role in some other matter, but not this. The "job" of Savior belongs to Jesus. Not you.

IF you answer "me!" then you are the Savior. Not Jesus. Not a bit, not at all. Not now, not ever. Not in any way, shape or form or manner. Salvation is all wrapped up in YOU. YOUR works. YOUR will. YOUR love. YOUR efforts. YOUR merits. YOUR obedience. YOUR righteousness. YOUR holiness. YOUR sacrifice. Not Jesus. Not Jesus'. Jesus may have some other role in some other matter, just not this one. The Savior is you.

Which is it? Try answering that. If you give the Christian answer, a LOT of Christianity falls into place.



Ephesians 2:1

Ephesians 2:13

Romans 3:9-12

Romans 3:23-24

Colossians 2:13

1 Corinthians 12:3

John 3:16-17

Ephesians 2:8-9




Now back to the subject: Is First John 2:2 (etc, etc.) correct OR is the not-yet-found verse that states that Jesus died ONLY for SOME correct?




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[YourTruthGod]

If anyone gets thirsty to be saved, they are to come to Jesus.

Come to Jesus and do what he says to do.

We have to believe that we have to obey him and that he has the words of life.

What are Jesus' words?

Jesus says to become like a child who is totally dependent on their parent, and repent of your sins, believe he washed away your sins, and call on him.