All About Faith

[YourTruthGod]

Correct (as usual)....

"Faith" (pistos) can be used variously. It CAN mean to intellectually embrace a corpus of teachings (as in "Teach the faith") but typically it means to trust, to rely, to claim, to lean upon (this is the sole meaning in justification).

You are mixing up too many ideas. Don't make it so complicated. Faith and belief are the same thing, and it is dead if not accompanied by right action.

Albion is correct. Theologically, we make this distinction in keeping with Scripture, but in classical theology, we TEND to use the word "faith" to mean to trust, rely and we use the word "belief" to mean to intellectually agree and embrace a corpus of truths. And Albion is correct that they are NOT the same thing. The devil could get a 100% on any theology test, but He does not trust/rely on Jesus as his Savior and Lord:

Satan did not use scripture correctly in the desert.

he's brain has the info but his heart and soul hate Jesus, not trust/rely on Jesus. There are Muslims and Jews with Ph.D.'s in Christianity and Christian teachings, but does that mean they lie when they call themselves Muslim or Jewish because intellectually understanding a corpus of information IS being justified/saved?

I do not believe they understand God's Truth because they do not obey God's Word.
Understanding comes only after obedience to God's commands.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I know the Catholic church well. I was a Catholic and my ancestors were Catholics. Everything I say against the Catholic religion is proven with scriptures. I am not trying to tell anyone they are not saved or are going to hell. I am just trying to show that we can know God's truth, and it is better than man's truth.

If a thing is true then it is true to God and to humanity. Being true is being true no matter who perceives it.

 

[Josiah]

God allows us to get faith when we are taught, persuaded, and convinced about Jesus Christ.

God doesn't allow us to steal faith, it is "the free GIFT of God." We don't create it or steal it (with or without God permitting), we are gifted with it.

The scriptures tell us plainly that WE have to have faith.

Yup. Not that we have to create it or steal it but have it.

Give the scripture that says that exact thing you said

Ephesians 2:8-9, 1 Corinthians 12:3, John 17:20, Romans 10:17, Titus 3:5




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[YourTruthGod]

If a thing is true then it is true to God and to humanity. Being true is being true no matter who perceives it.

Catholics do things God says not to do. We have to obey God.

 

[YourTruthGod]

God doesn't allow us to steal faith, it is "the free GIFT of God." We don't create it or steal it (with or without God permitting), we are gifted with it.

Give the scripture that says faith is a free gift.
In addition, give the proof that it is stealing to get faith.

Yup. Not that we have to create it or steal it but have it.

Ephesians 2:8-9, 1 Corinthians 12:3, John 17:20, Romans 10:17, Titus 3:5

Those scripture do NOT say what you said.

 

[Lamb]

Give the scripture that says faith is a free gift.
In addition, give the proof that it is stealing to get faith.


Those scripture do NOT say what you said.

He gave you the verses you requested. You are also not understanding what he wrote since you suggest he said that it is stealing to get faith. He did not say that so you are not paying attention.

 

[YourTruthGod]

He gave you the verses you requested. You are also not understanding what he wrote since you suggest he said that it is stealing to get faith. He did not say that so you are not paying attention.

I definitely am paying attention. You both don't understand then. No wonder he doesn't deal with anything I said in the my posts. He just posts scriptures that I have already shown to be wrong. People cannot make up in their own words what they want the scriptures to say.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Ephesians 2:8-9.

Those scriptures are about no one having to purify themselves by doing the PURIFICATION WORKS OF THE LAW.

We only have to have faith that Jesus' blood purifies us of the sins we repent of doing.

Nowhere anywhere did Paul say we are saved by not obeying.

 

[YourTruthGod]

He gave you the verses you requested. You are also not understanding what he wrote since you suggest he said that it is stealing to get faith. He did not say that so you are not paying attention.

Instead of you merely saying I don't understand something, how about you reply to what I said about those scriptures

 

[YourTruthGod]

God has given everyone the ability to have faith.

God made it possible for us to get faith by hearing about Jesus and learning.

It is up to us to get faith.

God does not give anyone faith without their wanting or knowing.

Grace is that no one has to clean themselves anymore just to go to the temple to worship God.

Grace is that faith that Jesus' blood purifies us of the sins we repent of doing and we become the temple.

That is grace from God.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Jesus gives the gift of the Holy Spirit to those who are God's children.

He gives the gift to those he chooses to give it.

He says he gives it to those who believe and obey.

 

[Andrew]

Ephesians 2:8-9.

Those scriptures are about no one having to purify themselves by doing the PURIFICATION WORKS OF THE LAW.

We only have to have faith that Jesus' blood purifies us of the sins we repent of doing.

Nowhere anywhere did Paul say we are saved by not obeying.

The free gift is the Holy Spirit which means that you can work yourself to the bones and obey Gods commandments but it means absolutely NOTHING without the Holy Spirit.
You are a gentile not a Hebrew, and even if you are a Hebrew you are not a Christian unless you believe that Jesus is the Messiah

 

[Lamb]

Ephesians 2:8-9.

Those scriptures are about no one having to purify themselves by doing the PURIFICATION WORKS OF THE LAW.

We only have to have faith that Jesus' blood purifies us of the sins we repent of doing.

Nowhere anywhere did Paul say we are saved by not obeying.

You keep repeating yourself but you neglect to admit that it says in the verse that faith is a gift...as it states right there in the verse a few of us have provided.

 

[YourTruthGod]

You keep repeating yourself but you neglect to admit that it says in the verse that faith is a gift...as it states right there in the verse a few of us have provided.

You keep repeating yourself by merely denying what I have explained and proven.

 

[YourTruthGod]

That scripture does NOT say faith is a free gift.

Our faith comes from hearing, and learning, being convinced and persuaded.

Grace is that we do NOT HAVE TO WORK AT PURIFYING ourselves because Jesus does it for us, if we have FAITH that his blood cleans us of the sins we repent of doing.

 

[YourTruthGod]

You keep repeating yourself but you neglect to admit that it says in the verse that faith is a gift...as it states right there in the verse a few of us have provided.

So faith does NOT come from listening carefully, and being taught?

Yes or no.

 

[YourTruthGod]

The free gift is the Holy Spirit which means that you can work yourself to the bones and obey Gods commandments but it means absolutely NOTHING without the Holy Spirit.
You are a gentile not a Hebrew, and even if you are a Hebrew you are not a Christian unless you believe that Jesus is the Messiah

Jesus gives the gift to those who OBEY AND BELIEVE him.

Jesus doesn't give the gift to just anyone.

And why are you bringing up Hebrews and Gentiles as if they have different ways to get saved?

 

[Andrew]

So faith does NOT come from listening carefully, and being taught?

Yes or no.

What is it that makes you listen "carefully"?
Is it Faith from above or lessons of men?

 

[Andrew]

And why are you bringing up Hebrews and Gentiles as if they have different ways to get saved?

Because when Jesus came on the scene the law of obedience was directed via the Holy Spirit, without it the laws are of "no effect", the Spirit guides your obedience for without it you are boastful and arrogant and not humbling to the Lord.
You can be the Pope for all I care but you can't convince anyone of what only God knows of your deeds, don't forget that we entertain angels in the sense that your right hand should not know what the left hand is doing. Be of good cheer and hold dear to your faith for God will never forsake you

 

[YourTruthGod]

What is it that makes you listen "carefully"?
Is it Faith from above or lessons of men?

You don't get faith unless you do what Jesus says. Jesus says to listen carefully. Jesus says it is from hearing and learning.

Do you really want to go against what Jesus plainly says and subtract to add that the faith Jesus says to get by doing this and that is not really how?