Jesus Christ, died for all

[YourTruthGod]

...but...but...but...
Your teaching is that men are more powerful than God.

That is not truth what you are saying.

God's Word is so powerful that if anyone does what he says in the scriptures, they will be saved.

You are shameful to preach not to obey God's Word.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Proof to Calvinists and all that a person has to repent of their sins to be saved:

Acts 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.

That is about the people who were CUT OFF and NOT saved.

Now listen to what they have to do to GET SAVED:

36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

 

[MennoSota]

That is not truth what you are saying.

God's Word is so powerful that if anyone does what he says in the scriptures, they will be saved.

You are shameful to preach not to obey God's Word.

Let me change your statement.
God is so powerful that what he chooses to do...he does. He saves whoever he chooses to save and he leaves to their sins whoever he chooses to leave in their sins.
All who God saves will rejoice in obeying their Savior.

You see, the difference between you and me is that with me, God rules 100% of the time over 100% of his creation.
With you, God does not rule over the salvation of men. Men accept or reject God and God is helpless to act.
The fact that you imagine I don't teach believers to obey God's word tells me you have no clue.

 

[Andrew]

Jesus is the Savior of all men, but not all will accept that truth and they reject Jesus.

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.

Do you believe that all those people -who lived their lives bashing the bible and calling it rubbish -were effective in thwarting Gods plan for them by rejecting His power of regeneration for them? Did they hear the call of God and ignored it or did God just not call on them?
I believe the latter

 

[MennoSota]

Proof to Calvinists and all that a person has to repent of their sins to be saved:

Acts 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.

That is about the people who were CUT OFF and NOT saved.

Now listen to what they have to do to GET SAVED:

36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Who was it that repented?
It was those who God chose to save.
We understand this because Luke explains the process in Acts 13.
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

YTG, much to your dismay, God appoints all whom he wills to eternal life. Those who God chooses will repent. Those God does not choose will not repent

 

[YourTruthGod]

Who was it that repented?
It was those who God chose to save.
We understand this because Luke explains the process in Acts 13.
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

YTG, much to your dismay, God appoints all whom he wills to eternal life. Those who God chooses will repent. Those God does not choose will not repent

Notice that we were talking about the CUT OFF JEWS and then you went to a scripture about Gentiles!

I could explain both scriptures to you, but first you need to deal with these scriptures I gave you about cut off Jews.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Do you believe that all those people -who lived their lives bashing the bible and calling it rubbish -were effective in thwarting Gods plan for them by rejecting His power of regeneration for them? Did they hear the call of God and ignored it or did God just not call on them?
I believe the latter

What people bashing the Bible?

 

[MennoSota]

Notice that we were talking about the CUT OFF JEWS and then you went to a scripture about Gentiles!

I could explain both scriptures to you, but first you need to deal with these scriptures I gave you about cut off Jews.

Believers are the same. There is neither Jew nor Greek nor slave nor free nor male nor female. There is only Christ.
You have created a false dichotomy by which you force biblical text to fit into your false dichotomy.
YTG, either God rules and reigns or you do. Which one is it?

 

[YourTruthGod]

Let me change your statement.
God is so powerful that what he chooses to do...he does. He saves whoever he chooses to save and he leaves to their sins whoever he chooses to leave in their sins.
All who God saves will rejoice in obeying their Savior.

You see, the difference between you and me is that with me, God rules 100% of the time over 100% of his creation.
With you, God does not rule over the salvation of men. Men accept or reject God and God is helpless to act.
The fact that you imagine I don't teach believers to obey God's word tells me you have no clue.

Again, you preach AGAINST obeying God.

God says believe and repent then He will save you.

You say no God save me first.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Believers are the same. There is neither Jew nor Greek nor slave nor free nor male nor female. There is only Christ.
You have created a false dichotomy by which you force biblical text to fit into your false dichotomy.
YTG, either God rules and reigns or you do. Which one is it?

There are Jews and Gentiles. There is no ethnic boundaries to getting saved.

What you are speaking is untruths.

The scriptures say plainly 'men of Israel' and 'Gentiles'.

Now deal with the cut off Jews and how they got to be saved if they repented.

 

[MennoSota]

Again, you preach AGAINST obeying God.

God says believe and repent then He will save you.

You say no God save me first.

Again, you preach AGAINST obeying God.

God says believe and repent then He will save you.

Correct. One must believe before one can repent. This is what I present and it is biblical. One cannot repent until one believes.

You say no God save me first.

I say this:
Ephesians 2:4-5 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
even when we were dead in our trespasses,
made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Scripture makes my point.

 

[MennoSota]

There are Jews and Gentiles. There is no ethnic boundaries to getting saved.

What you are speaking is untruths.

The scriptures say plainly 'men of Israel' and 'Gentiles'.

Now deal with the cut off Jews and how they got to be saved if they repented.

You keep fighting against God's word.

Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

 

[Andrew]

What people bashing the Bible?

Do you think that all atheist are called by God? If not then why does God only call on a few?

 

[MoreCoffee]

There's an adage that explains why some actions are unwise. It says, in essence, that one ought not spit into the wind. The reason is obvious.

I will not spend the time needed to explain to you what you can discover for yourself with little or no effort. I will not explain it to you because it is likely that you will ignore any explanation offered anyway and because obtaining the information is as easy as looking up words in a dictionary to discover what the words mean.

And, of course, the holy scriptures do in fact say that the Lord, Jesus Christ, did die for all.

For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.

How is "the merit of Christ's passion communicated?" What, specifically, is the "merit" of Christ's passion?

What's the definition of "merit"?

Do you know what "the passion of the Christ" is? The following trailer from a film might help, did you see the film?

 

[MennoSota]

What's the definition of "merit"?

Do you know what "the passion of the Christ" is? The following trailer from a film might help, did you see the film?

It seems you are incapable of answering my question. I will ask it until you answer since you are the one who made the assertion.
How is "the merit of Christ's passion communicated?" What, specifically, is the "merit" of Christ's passion?

 

[MennoSota]

[MENTION=13]Josiah[/MENTION], if you go to a store and purchase items do you take them home with you or do you leave them in the store?
You claim that Jesus purchased every human in his atoning sacrifice, yet you state that Jesus leaves many of those he purchased to eternal damnation.

Bump [MENTION=13]Josiah[/MENTION], if you go to a store and purchase items do you take them home with you or do you leave them in the store?
You claim that Jesus purchased every human in his atoning sacrifice, yet you state that Jesus leaves many of those he purchased to eternal damnation.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Do you think that all atheist are called by God? If not then why does God only call on a few?

God calls all.

 

[YourTruthGod]

You keep fighting against God's word.

Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

That is after being saved. You know the scriptures say Jews and Gentiles. Now get back to the scriptures about the men of Israel having Jesus killed. Those were cut off Jews, and they could get grafted back in if they believe in Jesus and repent.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Correct. One must believe before one can repent. This is what I present and it is biblical. One cannot repent until one believes.

I say this:
Ephesians 2:4-5 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
even when we were dead in our trespasses,
made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Scripture makes my point.

You said no one can believe until after Jesus saves them.

You can't handle your false doctrines very well.

 

[MennoSota]

You said no one can believe until after Jesus saves them.

You can't handle your false doctrines very well.

You said one must believe then repent. I agree.
Only those whom God makes alive with Christ can believe. This is all laid out in Ephesians 1 and 2. You don't seem to understand what God is clearly saying. I cannot remove the scales from your eyes.