Whate'er My God Ordains is Right

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I am reading "My God is True" by Paul D Wolfe. It's only 145 pages, yet it is packed with truths that will give peace to the soul who is hurting.
I find that there are some things I have learned on my own, going through the fiery trials, but there is so much valuable scripture to back our faith in a God who is 100% in control of everything that happens.
I know that some find it hard to accept that God gives an ordained "yes" to allowing evil to work His will. Yet, here is scripture that declares this very truth.
Exodus 4:11
Then the Lord said to him, “Who has made man’s mouth? Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?
Deuteronomy 32:39
See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.
1 Samuel 2:6-8
The Lord kills and brings to life; he brings down to Sheol and raises up. The Lord makes poor and makes rich; he brings low and he exalts. He raises up the poor from the dust; he lifts the needy from the ash heap to make them sit with princes and inherit a seat of honor. For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, and on them he has set the world.
Ecclesiastes 7:13-14
Consider the work of God: who can make straight what he has made crooked? In the day of prosperity be joyful, and in the day of adversity consider: God has made the one as well as the other, so that man may not find out anything that will be after him.
Isaiah 45:5-6
I am the Lord, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, that people may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the Lord, and there is no other.
Lamentations 3:37-38
Who has spoken and it came to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it? Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and bad come?
Amos 3:6 Is a trumpet blown in a city, and the people are not afraid? Does disaster come to a city, unless the Lord has done it?
Yet we can find joy in our God, even when trials come.
Habakkuk 3:17-19
Though the fig tree should not blossom, nor fruit be on the vines, the produce of the olive fail and the fields yield no food, the flock be cut off from the fold and there be no herd in the stalls, yet I will rejoice in the Lord; I will take joy in the God of my salvation. God, the Lord, is my strength; he makes my feet like the deer’s; he makes me tread on my high places.
Psalm 27:4-5
One thing have I asked of the Lord, that will I seek after: that I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life, to gaze upon the beauty of the Lord and to inquire in his temple. For he will hide me in his shelter in the day of trouble; he will conceal me under the cover of his tent; he will lift me high upon a rock.
Psalm 73:25-26
Whom have I in heaven but you? And there is nothing on earth that I desire besides you. My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever.
Philippians 3:7-8
But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ.
 

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Whate'er My God Ordains is Right ????

Isn't that just unthinking noncritical acceptance of the dogmas you are taught from whatever source?
 

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Whate'er My God Ordains is Right ????

Isn't that just unthinking noncritical acceptance of the dogmas you are taught from whatever source?
All the verses I posted is unthinking, non-critical dogma that I accept? Sure. I accept scripture and believe it is true. Is there a problem?
 

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All the verses I posted is unthinking, non-critical dogma that I accept? Sure. I accept scripture and believe it is true. Is there a problem?

Yes, I though you were doing "the bible says it, I believe it, that settles it" kind of thing, so many people use that as an excuse for horrific dogmas.
 

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Yes, I though you were doing "the bible says it, I believe it, that settles it" kind of thing, so many people use that as an excuse for horrific dogmas.
Are you referring to your church? There is no catechism I have quoted is there?
 

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Are you referring to your church? There is no catechism I have quoted is there?

No, I am referring to your posts and possibly to your religion.
 

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No, I am referring to your posts and possibly to your religion.
My faith is firmly planted in Christ Jesus. I do not place my faith in a church as you do. Let God's word be true.
 

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Whate'er My God Ordains is Right ????
Isn’t what God ordains right?
Does GOD ordain wrong?

[That part didn’t really seem like something to argue over.]
 

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Isn’t what God ordains right?
What is written in a bible verse and what God ordains may not be the same. Besides it is never what is written that we are told to believe we're told to believe some interpretation of it, a dogma of one's denomination.

Does GOD ordain wrong?
God? No but people interpreting bible verses ordain all sorts of error and heresy.

[That part didn’t really seem like something to argue over.]

Why not?
 

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My faith is firmly planted in Christ Jesus. I do not place my faith in a church as you do. Let God's word be true.

Didn't you receive your bible from a church/denomination? A denomination with 66 books in their approved bibles.
 

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Isn’t what God ordains right?
Does GOD ordain wrong?

[That part didn’t really seem like something to argue over.]

God does not ordain wrong. You are correct that what God ordains is right.

Man is the one because of sin who messes things up and twists what God ordains.
 

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Didn't you receive your bible from a church/denomination? A denomination with 66 books in their approved bibles.
My first came from my parents. The rest were bought from book stores. I now have Bible apps on my phone. Does this make God's word null and void to you?
Your church used a Latin translation and didn't let its congregants read it in their native languages until less than 100 years ago. Why did they deny their congregation the chance to read what God had told them?
Now, do you wish to discuss God's Sovereign ordinance over all things as the scripture passages state in my OP or do you intend to sidetrack and question God's word?
 

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Isn’t what God ordains right?
Does GOD ordain wrong?

[That part didn’t really seem like something to argue over.]
Just a title based upon this hymn:
1 Whate'er my God ordains is right:
his holy will abideth;
I will be still, whate'er he doth,
and follow where he guideth.
He is my God; though dark my road,
he holds me that I shall not fall:
wherefore to him I leave it all.

2 Whate'er my God ordains is right:
he never will deceive me;
he leads me by the proper path;
I know he will not leave me.
I take, content, what he hath sent;
his hand can turn my griefs away,
and patiently I wait his day.

3 Whate'er my God ordains is right:
though now this cup, in drinking,
may bitter seem to my faint heart,
I take it, all unshrinking.
My God is true; each morn anew
sweet comfort yet shall fill my heart,
and pain and sorrow shall depart.

4 Whate'er my God ordains is right:
here shall my stand be taken;
though sorrow, need, or death be mine,
yet am I not forsaken.
My Father's care is round me there;
he holds me that I shall not fall:
and so to him I leave it all.
 

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What is written in a bible verse and what God ordains may not be the same. Besides it is never what is written that we are told to believe we're told to believe some interpretation of it, a dogma of one's denomination.


God? No but people interpreting bible verses ordain all sorts of error and heresy.



Why not?
What do these verses say, MC?

Exodus 4:11

Then the Lord said to him, “Who has made man’s mouth? Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?

Deuteronomy 32:39

See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.

1 Samuel 2:6-8

The Lord kills and brings to life; he brings down to Sheol and raises up. The Lord makes poor and makes rich; he brings low and he exalts. He raises up the poor from the dust; he lifts the needy from the ash heap to make them sit with princes and inherit a seat of honor. For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, and on them he has set the world.

Ecclesiastes 7:13-14

Consider the work of God: who can make straight what he has made crooked? In the day of prosperity be joyful, and in the day of adversity consider: God has made the one as well as the other, so that man may not find out anything that will be after him.

Isaiah 45:5-6

I am the Lord, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, that people may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the Lord, and there is no other.

Lamentations 3:37-38

Who has spoken and it came to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it? Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and bad come?

Amos 3:6 Is a trumpet blown in a city, and the people are not afraid? Does disaster come to a city, unless the Lord has done it?
 

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God does not ordain wrong. You are correct that what God ordains is right.

Man is the one because of sin who messes things up and twists what God ordains.

Lamm, this seems to make God weak. Can the sins of man really screw up the ordained will of God?
I contend that the evil that takes place is completely under God's ordained will. God does not invoke sin, but God says "yes" to allowing sin, knowing that even the sin fits His plan for all ages.
 

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Perhaps God saying "he allows it" simply means he letting free-will run it's course. Of course, given God's nature - he would want to restore all suffering.
 
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