Fox has lost the Caravan

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Do you want to ask Jesus if these people should pay taxes? Perhaps we can ask Paul if it's ok to break laws and use up resources freely at the expense of other countries citizens.

Btw MC are you aware that American currency is worth more in Mexico?

Too many USA folk can't deal with the facts. Of 129.2 million Mexicans and many more from South America and the Meso American nations do not try to move to the USA because they do just fine where they are it is mainly the persecuted and the war ravaged and some who are young and poor who make the journey in the hope of a wealthier life in the much vaunted "freedom" of the USA only to be treated as "rapists, drug dealers, disease carriers, and bad-people" by way too many USA folk. Jesus was a refugee in his young years when his family fled persecution into the land of Egypt; how blessed we are that the rulers of Egypt (the Roman governors of that land) didn't build a wall, use razor wire, guns, and violence to keep them out as "rapists, drug dealers, disease carriers, and bad-people" intent on "invading" Egypt.

 

[Andrew]

Too many USA folk can't deal with the facts. Of 129.2 million Mexicans and many more from South America and the Meso American nations do not try to move to the USA because they do just fine where they are it is mainly the persecuted and the war ravaged and some who are young and poor who make the journey in the hope of a wealthier life in the much vaunted "freedom" of the USA only to be treated as "rapists, drug dealers, disease carriers, and bad-people" by way too many USA folk. Jesus was a refugee in his young years when his family fled persecution into the land of Egypt; how blessed we are that the rulers of Egypt (the Roman governors of that land) didn't build a wall, use razor wire, guns, and violence to keep them out as "rapists, drug dealers, disease carriers, and bad-people" intent on "invading" Egypt.

They can definitely escape persecution by coming to America

 

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They can definitely escape persecution by coming to America

No, that isn't so. with more than 3,000 children separated from their parents in detention centres and with their parents either in detention or deported they have been persecuted even more by entering the USA because so many USA folk want them deported and do not care much if their children become effective orphans.

But many could find refuge in Mexico, only they believed the myth of USA freedom and wealth that they heard in their homelands so they reject Mexico and press on to detention, deportation, and separation at the hands of USA forces.

 

[Andrew]

No, that isn't so. with more than 3,000 children separated from their parents in detention centres and with their parents either in detention or deported they have been persecuted even more by entering the USA because so many USA folk want them deported and do not care much if their children become effective orphans.

But many could find refuge in Mexico, only they believed the myth of USA freedom and wealth that they heard in their homelands so they reject Mexico and press on to detention, deportation, and separation at the hands of USA forces.

If they entered in legally they would not have been separated btw..
Let's all give obama a round of applause for originally crafting the separation biz and lets boo Trump for fixing it...

 

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If they entered in legally they would not have been separated btw..

That is not true. Those who cross at the border crossing and apply for asylum are arrested and sent to detention centres and their children, if they have any, are separated from them and sent to different detention facilities. The USA government forces and many USA folk are far harsher than your statement implies.

Let's all give obama a round of applause for originally crafting the separation biz and lets boo Trump for fixing it...

Presidents Barack Obama and Donald Trump both act with cynical vote capturing cruelty and many USA voters want the harshness and cruelty to be intensified.

 

[Andrew]

That is not true. Those who cross at the border crossing and apply for asylum are arrested and sent to detention centres and their children, if they have any, are separated from them and sent to different detention facilities. The USA government forces and many USA folk are far harsher than your statement implies.

They are granted asylum if they are being persecuted in their country because of their Religion, their Race or Political affiliation. Those who had their kids taken in holding are the ones who put their kids through that for breaking in without backgrounds and without merit, we may not even know what country they are supposed to be living in. They use their children for sympathy and allowance but the state wants statues and viability and merit...
Lets have a heart to heart, I really really am sick of bad people who I have met that have crossed, who want not just the cheap labor money that they send to their families in Mexico where the money piles up at greater value, they want retirement in their thirties and live like kings which they do, nice homes oh its great, the countries are different. You see in Mexico you can drive without a licence and drink tequila but in Texas you can be on your 3 dwi hit and run and all you get is a deportation back home where you can do it all again... Or not... Its a free for all, its Anarchy!!! Yes MC mexican gangs do off us, I came close on several occasions so you cant tell me that this threat isnt real! Those people come in with not only lawlessness but PURE hatred towards white people and they kill them and then high tail it back to mexico. Its a den of devils, run by drug lords whom they traditional worship! They bring flowers and burn incense to effigies of a druglord sitting on his throne and they pray to him.
We want the good people who are willing to follow the law, those who break the law are already our enemies because whats one law? They will break more and more until the are sent back with more money than they had!!
Thank God for Trump for being the only man in the world who understands that Mexican gangs are dangerous to the people and the economy.
Why would you want such persecution of Americans (MYSELF included) to be allowed by thugs who cross over ready to get paid under the table (mostly through gang drug dealing and a few homicides) and get deported back to double their earnings and to do it again.
This is going to stop! You have no clue what you are talking about MC, I had to leave jobs because they wanted to cut my head off because simply "hate white people" one told me straight up that he is a murderer... Look up the amount of tourist usually young white kids you are rapped abd beheaded and left for dead in Mexico...
You think we are lying but I can say to you MC right now that I am very serious! Yes where I live, white men are the minority and they have been persecuting us to the point of moving into higher states and leaving our jobs and on many occasions actually killed quite brutally... A man was hacked up into pieces walking home from work by the ms13, the very specific gang that Trump mentions when discussing safety at our borders, he calls these people ANIMALS but the side way news you listen to tells you that he was speaking to all Mexicans... false information, check sources because now you call him racist! Shame on you MC, you should probably keep out of Political discussions because your are completely ignorant to level of threat we are given to by these lawless thriving rapist and murders who have no business in our states. SAVE the others who come in rightfully and are upstanding, but never will we continue on letting murderers come in to murder us your brothers and sisters in America... Speaking from Texas (I live 4 hours away from the border. Wanna switch?

 

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They are granted asylum if they are being persecuted in their country because of their Religion, their Race or Political affiliation. Those who had their kids taken in holding are the ones who put their kids through that for breaking in without backgrounds and without merit, we may not even know what country they are supposed to be living in. They use their children for sympathy and allowance but the state wants statues and viability and merit...
Lets have a heart to heart, I really really am sick of bad people who I have met that have crossed, who want not just the cheap labor money that they send to their families in Mexico where the money piles up at greater value, they want retirement in their thirties and live like kings which they do, nice homes oh its great, the countries are different. You see in Mexico you can drive without a licence and drink tequila but in Texas you can be on your 3 dwi hit and run and all you get is a deportation back home where you can do it all again... Or not... Its a free for all, its Anarchy!!! Yes MC mexican gangs do off us, I came close on several occasions so you cant tell me that this threat isnt real! Those people come in with not only lawlessness but PURE hatred towards white people and they kill them and then high tail it back to mexico. Its a den of devils, run by drug lords whom they traditional worship! They bring flowers and burn incense to effigies of a druglord sitting on his throne and they pray to him.
We want the good people who are willing to follow the law, those who break the law are already our enemies because whats one law? They will break more and more until the are sent back with more money than they had!!
Thank God for Trump for being the only man in the world who understands that Mexican gangs are dangerous to the people and the economy.
Why would you want such persecution of Americans (MYSELF included) to be allowed by thugs who cross over ready to get paid under the table (mostly through gang drug dealing and a few homicides) and get deported back to double their earnings and to do it again.
This is going to stop! You have no clue what you are talking about MC, I had to leave jobs because they wanted to cut my head off because simply "hate white people" one told me straight up that he is a murderer... Look up the amount of tourist usually young white kids you are rapped abd beheaded and left for dead in Mexico...
You think we are lying but I can say to you MC right now that I am very serious! Yes where I live, white men are the minority and they have been persecuting us to the point of moving into higher states and leaving our jobs and on many occasions actually killed quite brutally... A man was hacked up into pieces walking home from work by the ms13, the very specific gang that Trump mentions when discussing safety at our borders, he calls these people ANIMALS but the side way news you listen to tells you that he was speaking to all Mexicans... false information, check sources because now you call him racist! Shame on you MC, you should probably keep out of Political discussions because your are completely ignorant to level of threat we are given to by these lawless thriving rapist and murders who have no business in our states. SAVE the others who come in rightfully and are upstanding, but never will we continue on letting murderers come in to murder us your brothers and sisters in America... Speaking from Texas (I live 4 hours away from the border. Wanna switch?

Do you resent them earning a living and planning for retirement? You could do the same if you wanted to and had a job that paid enough. Many USA people prefer to live in debt, saving little or nothing because the spend on keeping up with others and maintaining a lavish but very expensive life in the USA when they could save and retire early in Mexico. They'd likely be welcomed in Mexico. The Mexican government is not so harsh about immigration. They know the benefits. So does Canada. The USA has changed its mind, in the past it welcomed immigrants now it despises them, at least many USA people do, mainly from among the ones who vote Republican it seems.

 

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But many could find refuge in Mexico, only they believed the myth of USA freedom and wealth that they heard in their homelands so they reject Mexico and press on to detention, deportation, and separation at the hands of USA forces.

Are you honestly still of the opinion that they didn't know? -__-

 

[Andrew]

Do you resent them earning a living and planning for retirement? You could do the same if you wanted to and had a job that paid enough. Many USA people prefer to live in debt, saving little or nothing because the spend on keeping up with others and maintaining a lavish but very expensive life in the USA when they could save and retire early in Mexico. They'd likely be welcomed in Mexico. The Mexican government is not so harsh about immigration. They know the benefits. So does Canada. The USA has changed its mind, in the past it welcomed immigrants now it despises them, at least many USA people do, mainly from among the ones who vote Republican it seems.

Retiring at 40 because they enter in illegally and mooched off Americans and our money is worth more in Mexico which they have been sending home the whole time... that was their great plan? Sounds like lawlessness to me

 

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Retiring at 40 because they enter in illegally and mooched off Americans

Make up your mind; either they retire early because they worked and earned money that they sent to their families in their homelands or they didn't work and had little money to keep themselves and less to send home. Fox tells these lurid stories of invasion and disease and now you tell an equally lurid and preposterous story of money magically appearing to enrich the "illegal" immigrants who both work and mooch as you put it.

and our money is worth more in Mexico which they have been sending home the whole time... that was their great plan? Sounds like lawlessness to me

Sounds like resentment on your part. Resentment that others may prosper or appear to prosper (for the reality is likely to be very different from the story that you've told) while you and others may not or may but somehow resent that any others would prosper whether in truth or in the fantasy of the story you've told.

 

[Andrew]

Make up your mind; either they retire early because they worked and earned money that they sent to their families in their homelands or they didn't work and had little money to keep themselves and less to send home. Fox tells these lurid stories of invasion and disease and now you tell an equally lurid and preposterous story of money magically appearing to enrich the "illegal" immigrants who both work and mooch as you put it.



Sounds like resentment on your part. Resentment that others may prosper or appear to prosper (for the reality is likely to be very different from the story that you've told) while you and others may not or may but somehow resent that any others would prosper whether in truth or in the fantasy of the story you've told.

I know this because they told me this, not Fox, not any network, but they told me about their many homes in Mexico and how they send money there (working exactly where I work and I can't even afford my own place)... they show me pictures and they do live like kings while we scrape by because we actually pay taxes and money is worth exactly what it is worth here.
You are 100% ignorant of the reality of how illegals break our laws and use us, they laugh at you with hysteria because they are very aware what they are doing.

 

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I know this because they told me this

"They". How many people are "they"? One, none?

 

[Andrew]

"They". How many people are "they"? One, none?

Good grief have you not listened to anything I said?? Not all are murderers but some are, these were people I worked with in a factory, the majority were illegal and being my coworkers I befriended many... we worked 12 hour days so yes I got a good grasp on what they were talking about, it was tough communication but after three years we communicated fair enough. I was 1 of maybe 4 white people in a warehouse of about 150 to 200 people but the turn around was so great I had seen many come and go.. I have met quite a few. Oh and this turn around wasn't because they got fired no sir... they left back to Mexico and would sometimes return 6 months later and then leave again.
If they were legal citizens why would they leave? This is also the place where at least on 2 occasions my life was threatened and when I asked why they said "because I kill white people". They showed my their gang tats and everything. So excuse me for wanting to keep the LAWLESS OUT of TEXAS.
As for those who come in lawfully, they have good fruit because they respect the law and most likely are not murderers and drug pushing gang members.

 

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worked 12 hour days

Looks like hard working people who you resent for reasons that seem imaginary. No mooching here. Lots of work. No time for mooching.

 

[Andrew]

Looks like hard working people who you resent for reasons that seem imaginary. No mooching here. Lots of work. No time for mooching.

Funny because we all worked equally, but eventually they end up saving and creating money by unlawfully shifting what they should pay for taxes to another country where the money doubles. I would have to work there a lifetime and they work there for half of that time, retire to their beautiful homes they bought with our tax money.
So for my 10 dollar an hour pay, they make double that an hour in the long run... that's not equality.
I knew a lady that sold tacos there, she buys the ingredients with food stamps and then sales the tacos for 5 dollars each to all the warehouses, she saved enough to live off of and retire to Mexico and I never saw her since.
They don't want to be documented if they tend to steal, because if they were documented they would have to earn a living as a citizen and pay taxes and buy homes here in our economy.
It's lawlessness and I'm sorry you find that hard to believe MC

 

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Funny because we all worked equally, but eventually they end up saving

That's the source of the resentment. They save and others who resent them do not save.

No undocumented claims about taxes please. Taxes for wages are taken out of the pay packet by the employer and sent to the government. The workers do not go to the tax office each week and pay taxes. You don't do that. Nor do "they". They happen to be smarter and know that saving matters.

 

[Andrew]

That's the source of the resentment. They save and others who resent them do not save.

No undocumented claims about taxes please. Taxes for wages are taken out of the pay packet by the employer and sent to the government. The workers do not go to the tax office each week and pay taxes. You don't do that. Nor do "they". They happen to be smarter and know that saving matters.

The cost of living is based off the monetary worth of the American dollar, our cost of living is higher juxtaposed to their cost of living in Mexico (in American dollars)

 

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The cost of living is based off the monetary worth of the American dollar, our cost of living is higher juxtaposed to their cost of living in Mexico (in American dollars)

Those 200 or more workers who worked 12 hour days managed to live in the USA with its high cost of living. They worked hard, saved, and you say they went back home. And you resent them being comfortable in their homeland. The problem is not with them.

 

[Andrew]

Those 200 or more workers who worked 12 hour days managed to live in the USA with its high cost of living. They worked hard, saved, and you say they went back home. And you resent them being comfortable in their homeland. The problem is not with them.

It is tho because the many were violent and unpredictable and self proclaimed murderers with no sense of moral or respect for the law. Those who gained citizenship were dramatically different and even stood up for me on several occasions.
Have you ever had a gun pointed at your face MC? Or a knife pressed against your gut?
Maybe you would see why the majority of Illegals that cross into Texas are a very dangerous bunch of cartel workers.
If you even mention cartel they get wild eyed and threaten to cut your head off.

 

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they get wild eyed and threaten to cut your head off.

There you go again with "they" your head is still intact is it not? You resent them because they save and you claim that they retire to their homeland and live a good life. You're jealous of their alleged success.