Once saved always saved?

[MoreCoffee]

Abraham was not under the LAW. The Law came by Moses. Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Your post skilfully avoided the other people in the scriptural list. And Abram received grace and so his faith was regarded as righteousness.

 

[psalms 91]

Israel was under the LAW. It is based on self effort.

While we have grace we also have free will and we can sin and keep on sinning if we so choose just as Israel chose to. I am not a robot that is controlled and has no free will nor are you.

 

[Brighten04]

Your post skilfully avoided the other people in the scriptural list. And Abram received grace and so his faith was regarded as righteousness.

OK, if it makes you feel better. Nobody on your list was under LAW. Enoch, Noah,Abraham,Rahab were not under the Mosaic law. I thought you would have spiritually discerned that, then I

remembered who I was addressing, So my bad.

 

[MoreCoffee]

OK, if it makes you feel better. Nobody on your list was under LAW. Enoch, Noah,Abraham,Rahab were not under the Mosaic law. I thought you would have spiritually discerned that, then I

remembered who I was addressing, So my bad.

Rahab was under the law of Moses and lived her life under it after she was rescued from Jericho. The list in Hebrews also includes Moses, David, and a number of people who are not named and lived in Judah when the Maccabean revolt took place.

 

[Brighten04]

While we have grace we also have free will and we can sin and keep on sinning if we so choose just as Israel chose to. I am not a robot that is controlled and has no free will nor are you.

Yes if course we can sin. But if the Holy Spirit is in you, He checks you. He puts the restraint in your spirit. Have you never felt Him restraining you? If we have Him in us we will not sin, but, if we do sin, Lord Jesus at the right hand of the Majesty on High mitigates it as though we never committed it.

 

[Brighten04]

Rahab was under the law of Moses and lived her life under it after she was rescued from Jericho. The list in Hebrews also includes Moses, David, and a number of people who are not named and lived in Judah when the Maccabean revolt took place.

Rahab was a citizen of Jericho. A gentile. She was not under the Mosaic LAW. After she married Salmon (one of the spies) then she lived under the Law.

 

[Hammster]

Abram received grace and so his faith was regarded as righteousness.

That's how everyone who is saved gets saved.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Rahab was a citizen of Jericho. A gentile. She was not under the Mosaic LAW. After she married Salmon (one of the spies) then she lived under the Law.

Have a look at the names in Hebrews 11, grace is the theme, faith the effectual cause, and final salvation the end result. There are those before, during, and after the giving of the Law at Mount Sinai in the list. The point is that grace always was present in the saving relationship between God and his people.

 

[Brighten04]

Have a look at the names in Hebrews 11, grace is the theme, faith the effectual cause, and final salvation the end result. There are those before, during, and after the giving of the Law at Mount Sinai in the list. The point is that grace always was present in the saving relationship between God and his people.

So what is your argument with me?Now God has us where he wants us, with all the time in this world and the next to shower grace and kindness upon us in Christ Jesus. Saving is all his idea, and all his work. All we do is trust him enough to let him do it. It’s God’s gift from start to finish! We don’t play the major role. If we did, we’d probably go around bragging that we’d done the whole thing! No, we neither make nor save ourselves. God does both the making and saving.

 

[MoreCoffee]

So what is your argument with me?Now God has us where he wants us, with all the time in this world and the next to shower grace and kindness upon us in Christ Jesus. Saving is all his idea, and all his work. All we do is trust him enough to let him do it. It’s God’s gift from start to finish! We don’t play the major role. If we did, we’d probably go around bragging that we’d done the whole thing! No, we neither make nor save ourselves. God does both the making and saving.

I disagree with your stated claim that Israel was saved by self effort.

 

[Brighten04]

I disagree with your stated claim that Israel was saved by self effort.

I don't recall saying anything about how Israel was saved. Oh, I forgot, you do not understand what I say.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Israel was under the LAW. It is based on self effort.

I don't recall saying anything about how Israel was saved. Oh, I forgot, you do not understand what I say.

What did you mean in the first quote above?

 

[Brighten04]

What did you mean in the first quote above?

I meant just what I wrote. Maybe You can understand it better like this. Keeping the Law is self effort.
Here is an example. LAW says you shall not covet. So because the LAW said don't do it, you have an overwhelming desire to do it, therefore you covet. The bible says the strength of sin is the LAW.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Israel was under the LAW. It is based on self effort.

I meant just what I wrote. Maybe You can understand it better like this. Keeping the Law is self effort.
Here is an example. LAW says you shall not covet. So because the LAW said don't do it, you have an overwhelming desire to do it, therefore you covet. The bible says the strength of sin is the LAW.

Without God's grace no man or woman could keep the law.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Do you believe that it is possible to fall into unbelief for one who professes faith and believes himself (or herself) to be in the body of Christ?

No. Sin is still possible and perhaps, seemingly inevitable, but God's grace is not, in that if you are truly faithful, it can fade through turmoil but never be washed away With wind, for it is blood of Christ at that.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[Alithis]

Your post skilfully avoided the other people in the scriptural list. And Abram received grace and so his faith was regarded as righteousness.

no- small but important correction .."through his faith righteousness was credited to him.. "

 

[Alithis]

Without God's grace no man or woman could keep the law.

even with his grace no man can lep the law .. righteousness cannot be obtained by the keping of the law ..

lol i need to scroll back and find out why we are talking about the law now ....

 

[Alithis]

side note : congrats george on the featured thread 1st place this week

 

[MoreCoffee]

even with his grace no man can lep the law .. righteousness cannot be obtained by the keping of the law ..

lol i need to scroll back and find out why we are talking about the law now ....

I said "keep the law" not "lep the law"

*chortle*

Job seems to have kept the law of his day. Enoch too.

 

[charis en excelcis]

In this debate, often the missing element is the free will of God. Our free will, is an extension of God exercising His free will. He is omnipotent, able to both perfectly accomplish all that He chooses, while allowing free will. I believe that our exercise of free will is a result of the imago dei. I believe that if the angels, who lived in the presence of god, were able to rebel and fall, we as believers can exercise our free will to reject the grace that we have received. I just don't think it is easy.