Mother of God

[MoreCoffee]

Define "adore". Does it include devotion?

Get a dictionary; I am sure you can find the word and the definition without asking me to do it for you.

 

[Hammster]

Get a dictionary; I am sure you can find the word and the definition without asking me to do it for you.

You stated earlier that the Catholic definition of veneration didn't exactly jibe with the dictionary. But it's okay to use for adore?

 

[Hammster]

Adore:

to regard with the utmost esteem, love, and respect; honor.

to pay divine honor to; worship: to adore God.

to like or admire very much:

Some of those sound like how the Catholics treat Mary.

 

[Josiah]

I adore my girlfriend. I don't regard her as God (CLOSE but.....)

I even adore freshly caught rainbow Trout... (especially if I caught it)..... nothin' better that it frying in a pan over a fire, out in the forest.... 30 minutes after catching the thing.... But I don't believe Trout is God.

 

[Hammster]

I adore my girlfriend. I don't regard her as God (CLOSE but.....)

I even adore freshly caught rainbow Trout... (especially if I caught it)..... nothin' better that it frying in a pan over a fire, out in the forest.... 30 minutes after catching the thing.... But I don't believe Trout is God.

Well, the Catholics would have issue with you, then.

 

[popsthebuilder]

The mother of Jesus, the son of God was blessed by God and herself a cteation of God. Her significance, although blessed by God in being the vessel and bearer of his son, is wholly subsidiary to God and not in any way like the Father. The was of the flesh. We are not to worship the flesh. It is that simple. If you pray to Mary the vessel of the physical incarnation of God then fine. Just remember that she and the son are of God and subsidiary to God.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[Hammster]

The mother of Jesus, the son of God was blessed by God and herself a cteation of God. Her significance, although blessed by God in being the vessel and bearer of his son, is wholly subsidiary to God and not in any way like the Father. The was of the flesh. We are not to worship the flesh. It is that simple. If you pray to Mary the vessel of the physical incarnation of God then fine. Just remember that she and the son are of God and subsidiary to God.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Um, no. Jesus is God.

 

[Josiah]

Jesus is God.

And His mother was Mary,

ERGO





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[Hammster]

And His mother was Mary,

ERGO





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I've not questioned that.

 

[Alithis]

The definition I supplied is specifically Catholic; it is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and hence the hierarchy of the Church, mean when the word is used. Did you notice that the definition is about the veneration of saints? Anyway, what a secular worldly dictionary has to say about synonyms and antonyms really is irrelevant to the definition given.

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Concerning what you choose to venerate or not, that is of no significance to me in this discussion. You will do as you please. I shall do as the teaching of Christ requires.

hahahahaha oh noo ,your kidding right ? so now to defend it's non biblical teaching rome's redefines the meaning of words ?! how much more dishonesty can it pile on .

geuss what .. hat means hat .

i mean come on . get a love for the truth .

 

[Alithis]

And His mother was Mary,

ERGO

siigh .. do the research .bro - you will find it both interesting and shocking . why is the term "mother of God" never given to mary in the bible . why is it only applied from outside the bible ? go do the research on where the terminology originated .. its not a biblical term- it is anything but . it is a pagan term for a goddess originating in the sun and moon worship from as far back as the days of nimrod .. this mother with child imagery has changed the names of the mother and child from time to time and during the spread of christianity they changed the goddesses name to mary .. it is the very reason to this day they insist on venerating her and trying to say she is divine (a goddess) and call her the queen of heaven..
it aint mary from the bible it is the false goddess with a new name tagged on ..
there is no bible reason to always be pushing to elevate her and venerate her and glorify her - no bible christian reason what so ever .

we know this because in the bible mary is NOT divine , NOT a perpetual virgin , Not resurrected, NOT an intercessor , NOT a co mediator ..

ERGO .. the mary of rome ..IS NOT the same person as the mary in the Bible . they speak of a different being which has been re cloaked in mary's name .

i is why she is always depicted with the sun around her head and a myriad of other things .. it is Also why they are more passionate about glorifying her ..asking he for help thinking about her speaking about her promoting her .. then they ever are abut the Lord JEsus .

 

[Alithis]

I adore my girlfriend. I don't regard her as God (CLOSE but.....)

I even adore freshly caught rainbow Trout... (especially if I caught it)..... nothin' better that it frying in a pan over a fire, out in the forest.... 30 minutes after catching the thing.... But I don't believe Trout is God.

i would say you use the term here in a flippant nature ..right? unles you equate your adoration of the most high God to how you like and place your faith in a fresh water fish to save your soul from sin ? lets keep in in the context and reverence of WHOM it is we refer to yeah?

 

[MoreCoffee]

hahahahaha oh noo ,your kidding right ? so now to defend it's non biblical teaching rome's redefines the meaning of words ?! how much more dishonesty can it pile on .

geuss what .. hat means hat .

i mean come on . get a love for the truth .

Perhaps some history will help. "Venerate" is derived from Latin and its use in the Catholic Church predates the invention of the English language. It is not the Church redefining a word it is the English language evolving into different meanings of old words that that have a history far longer and more ancient than the English language.

 

[Alithis]

still means to honor and adore and worship .. its splitting hairs to avoid facing the truth of the matter .. after all

why is a practice that has absolutely nothing to do with the bible or what it says .. oh so important to you .

mary cant save any one or intercede ,or mediate .according to the Holy Bible ..Only the lord Jesus can and does .. so why resist the truth of the bible by repeatedly promoting things it never ever teaches.
Just follow the lord jesus bro. Just follow HIM alone -he alone is the HEAD of HIS body the church .. no one else .

 

[Lamb]

siigh .. do the research .bro - you will find it both interesting and shocking . why is the term "mother of God" never given to mary in the bible . why is it only applied from outside the bible ? go do the research on where the terminology originated .. its not a biblical term- it is anything but . it is a pagan term for a goddess originating in the sun and moon worship from as far back as the days of nimrod .. this mother with child imagery has changed the names of the mother and child from time to time and during the spread of christianity they changed the goddesses name to mary .. it is the very reason to this day they insist on venerating her and trying to say she is divine (a goddess) and call her the queen of heaven..
it aint mary from the bible it is the false goddess with a new name tagged on ..
there is no bible reason to always be pushing to elevate her and venerate her and glorify her - no bible christian reason what so ever .

we know this because in the bible mary is NOT divine , NOT a perpetual virgin , Not resurrected, NOT an intercessor , NOT a co mediator ..

ERGO .. the mary of rome ..IS NOT the same person as the mary in the Bible . they speak of a different being which has been re cloaked in mary's name .

i is why she is always depicted with the sun around her head and a myriad of other things .. it is Also why they are more passionate about glorifying her ..asking he for help thinking about her speaking about her promoting her .. then they ever are abut the Lord JEsus .

So, let me get this straight. You ONLY have a problem with the term, even though it is correct that Mary is the mother of God (Jesus, God the Son) because of the connotations others have applied to it? Not everyone who uses that term elevates Mary as you claim, so shooting it down because of "some people" even though she IS the mother of God is unusual.

 

[Brighten04]

siigh .. do the research .bro - you will find it both interesting and shocking . why is the term "mother of God" never given to mary in the bible . why is it only applied from outside the bible ? go do the research on where the terminology originated .. its not a biblical term- it is anything but . it is a pagan term for a goddess originating in the sun and moon worship from as far back as the days of nimrod .. this mother with child imagery has changed the names of the mother and child from time to time and during the spread of christianity they changed the goddesses name to mary .. it is the very reason to this day they insist on venerating her and trying to say she is divine (a goddess) and call her the queen of heaven..
it aint mary from the bible it is the false goddess with a new name tagged on ..
there is no bible reason to always be pushing to elevate her and venerate her and glorify her - no bible christian reason what so ever .

we know this because in the bible mary is NOT divine , NOT a perpetual virgin , Not resurrected, NOT an intercessor , NOT a co mediator ..

ERGO .. the mary of rome ..IS NOT the same person as the mary in the Bible . they speak of a different being which has been re cloaked in mary's name .

i is why she is always depicted with the sun around her head and a myriad of other things .. it is Also why they are more passionate about glorifying her ..asking he for help thinking about her speaking about her promoting her .. then they ever are abut the Lord JEsus .

WHAT!? :yikes: Is this true? Do Catholics refer to Mary as the queen of Heaven? What can be more dishonoring?

 

[Josiah]

why is a practice that has absolutely nothing to do with the bible or what it says .. oh so important to you .

The title of "Mary - Mother of God" (Matre Dei) is a title, not a practice.

The title affirms two things:
1. Jesus is called God (including in the Bible, since He is divine)
2. Mary bore Him.

To reject the title is to reject one (or both) of those things, rejecting the Bible when it calls Jesus "GOD" and rejecting the Bible when it states that Mary bore Him.



Thank you.


Pax


- Josiah

 

[Lamb]

The title of "Mary - Mother of God" (Matre Dei) is a title, not a practice.

The title affirms two things:
1. Jesus is called God (including in the Bible, since He is divine)
2. Mary bore Him.

To reject the title is to reject one (or both) of those things, rejecting the Bible when it calls Jesus "GOD" and rejecting the Bible when it states that Mary bore Him.



Thank you.


Pax


- Josiah

Yep, that is it, straight forward! We carry no baggage with the term.

 

[Josiah]

I've not questioned that.

therefore, IMO the protest of this teaching escapes me. This title teaches two things Protestants accept, embrace, teach and confess JUST AS MUCH as Catholics and Orthodox do: Jesus is God and may be called such (as the Bible itself CLEARLY does), and Mary was his mother (as the Bible itself CLEARLY does). Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox are in full and complete AGREEMENT on the two points of this title. When I see a few of my fellow Protestant rant against this, we are forced to conclude they reject either the divinity of Jesus AND/OR that Mary bore - and thus IMO, aren't Protestants and aren't biblical.

There are enough baseless or wrong things in Catholicism to condemn without focusing on things WE EQUALLY teach, believe, affirm, confess (shooting self in the foot). IMO



Sure, the teaching may be misunderstood (just like the Trinity or Incarnation or a HOST of other teachings ) but just because perhaps some non-Catholics don't understand it doesn't make it wrong, anymore than the teaching of the Trinity is wrong because some misunderstand it.


MY half cent.


- Josiah

 

[Brighten04]

Yep, that is it, straight forward! We carry no baggage with the term.

What about the title queen of Heaven?