Mother of God

[Hammster]

If you review the posts in this thread by Alithis, charis en excelcis, and Hammster you will have the explanation of why it is controversial.

Yeah, because it's unbiblical.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yeah, because it's unbiblical.

That's your opinion and I do not agree with it.

 

[Hammster]

That's your opinion and I do not agree with it.

It's not my opinion. Let me list all of the verses that say we should exalt Mary:








Yep. That's all.

Now let me list the ones that say she's a co-redeemer:







Yep. That's all of them.

Any other claims about Mary that you need proof for?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Elizabeth called Mary the mother of my Lord surely that is biblical and implies that Mary is the mother of God since the Lord is in fact God. When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. And she cried out with a loud voice and said, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And how has it happened to me, that the mother of my Lord would come to me? For behold, when the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for joy. And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what had been spoken to her by the Lord." (Luke 1:41-45) yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. (1 Corinthians 8:6)

 

[charis en excelcis]

The difference is that holy scripture exalts Blessed Mary but you are not named in it.

If I am a servant of God, and if, in the course of that service, he uses me as a bookkeeper, then I am the Bookkeeper of God. The arguments made for assigning this title is exactly this. She was Jesus' Mother, this is the manner in which she served God. So, I am the bookkeeper of God.

 

[MoreCoffee]

If I am a servant of God, and if, in the course of that service, he uses me as a bookkeeper, then I am the Bookkeeper of God. The arguments made for assigning this title is exactly this. She was Jesus' Mother, this is the manner in which she served God. So, I am the bookkeeper of God.

There are many christians who are bookkeepers in the world and by your stated reasoning they are all God's bookkeepers but God has only one mother and the one and only mother of God is the Blessed Virgin Mary.

 

[charis en excelcis]

There are many christians who are bookkeepers in the world and by your stated reasoning they are all God's bookkeepers but God has only one mother and the one and only mother of God is the Blessed Virgin Mary.

"But Jesus answered the one who was telling Him and said, "Who is My mother and who are My brothers?" And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, "Behold My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother." So, she is not alone in being called the mother of Jesus.

 

[MoreCoffee]

"But Jesus answered the one who was telling Him and said, "Who is My mother and who are My brothers?" And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, "Behold My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother." So, she is not alone in being called the mother of Jesus.

Jesus has only one mother and she is the Blessed Virgin Mary. May careful attention to what is said. This is not a discussion about how people in general can be related to Christ. Jesus has exactly one mother from whose womb he came forth into the world.

 

[Hammster]

Elizabeth called Mary the mother of my Lord surely that is biblical and implies that Mary is the mother of God since the Lord is in fact God. When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. And she cried out with a loud voice and said, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And how has it happened to me, that the mother of my Lord would come to me? For behold, when the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for joy. And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what had been spoken to her by the Lord." (Luke 1:41-45) yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. (1 Corinthians 8:6)

So since Elisabeth used normal ways of speech when talking to Mary, she should be venerated and be considered a co-redeemer? I'm not seeing the connection.

 

[Hammster]

Jesus has only one mother and she is the Blessed Virgin Mary. May careful attention to what is said. This is not a discussion about how people in general can be related to Christ. Jesus has exactly one mother from whose womb he came forth into the world.

No argument against that. We all agree Jesus was born of a virgin. What most disagree with is the exaltation of Mary to demigod status.

 

[MoreCoffee]

So since Elisabeth used normal ways of speech when talking to Mary, she should be venerated and be considered a co-redeemer? I'm not seeing the connection.

You're departing from the subject of this thread. The topic is "Mother of God" which is a title of the Blessed Virgin Mary. What you opine about veneration and redemption is not relevant to the topic of the thread.

 

[charis en excelcis]

Jesus has only one mother and she is the Blessed Virgin Mary. May careful attention to what is said. This is not a discussion about how people in general can be related to Christ. Jesus has exactly one mother from whose womb he came forth into the world.

Pay careful attention to my words, Mary was Jesus' mother because she obeyed her Lord. She is the greatest woman in the history of mankind. Her obedience inspires our obedience. But our walk of faith is not enhanced by the adding of titles. By Jesus words, I can claim just as easily the title of Brother, Sister or Mother by doing the will of the father. I am not denying her unique actions in obedience, but I believe that Just as the Israelites begin to worship the bronze serpent, which was an instrument of His will, the assignment of the title Mother of God, has become a bridge to the idolization of Mary. Do you see my point or should I go further?

 

[Hammster]

You're departing from the subject of this thread. The topic is "Mother of God" which is a title of the Blessed Virgin Mary. What you opine about veneration and redemption is not relevant to the topic of the thread.

Why does it matter what she's called?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Why does it matter what she's called?

It is the thread's topic if it does not matter to you why post in this thread?

 

[Hammster]

It is the thread's topic if it does not matter to you why post in this thread?

That's not an answer to my question.

 

[Hammster]

This seems to be a hugely controversial term for Mary, and I'm honestly not sure why.

Why does it matter what she's called?

 

[MoreCoffee]

That's not an answer to my question.

Your question is off topic.

 

[Hammster]

Your question is off topic.

No, it's not. It's directly related. It obviously mattered to George enough to start a thread. So I'm curious as to why.

 

[MoreCoffee]

This seems to be a hugely controversial term for Mary, and I'm honestly not sure why.

No, it's not. It's directly related. It obviously mattered to George enough to start a thread. So I'm curious as to why.

George asked specifically about the term "mother of God", that's the topic. Veneration and redemption are off topic but you;re welcome to start a thread about one of both of them.

 

[Hammster]

George asked specifically about the term "mother of God", that's the topic. Veneration and redemption are off topic but you;re welcome to start a thread about one of both of them.

My question has nothing to do with that.

I thought it was a straightforward question.