False teachers

[charis en excelcis]

There is often a distinctions made between the hetero-orthodox Christian and the heretic. In my opinion, the true heretic is the one who denies in word or practice the truth of the Gospel, that God became flesh and dwelt among us, The he (Jesus Christ) became a substitute for sinful man, taking our sins upon him, dying on the cross, being raised by the Father, and exalted as King of kings and Lord of lords.

 

[MoreCoffee]

There is often a distinctions made between the hetero-orthodox Christian and the heretic. In my opinion, the true heretic is the one who denies in word or practice the truth of the Gospel, that God became flesh and dwelt among us, The he (Jesus Christ) became a substitute for sinful man, taking our sins upon him, dying on the cross, being raised by the Father, and exalted as King of kings and Lord of lords.

Heresy is wrong teaching while a heretic is one who used to believe and teach the truth but has abandoned their former orthodox view and taken up the heresy in their teaching. The detection of heresy is not difficult but to know that one's interlocutor is a heretic is far more difficult.

 

[charis en excelcis]

Heresy is wrong teaching while a heretic is one who used to believe and teach the truth but has abandoned their former orthodox view and taken up the heresy in their teaching. The detection of heresy is not difficult but to know that one's interlocutor is a heretic is far more difficult.

What of the untaught? Are they involved in heresy until their theology is complete? Is orthodoxy the counter measurement of heresy? Do we ask, is it orthodox in testing for heresy.

 

[MoreCoffee]

What of the untaught? Are they involved in heresy until their theology is complete? Is orthodoxy the counter measurement of heresy? Do we ask, is it orthodox in testing for heresy.

I don't see any reason why ignorant people could not decide to believe something that well educated and heretical teachers teach. I don't see much value in blaming them for being ignorant. Edicate them, that is the best solution ....

 

[charis en excelcis]

I don't see any reason why ignorant people could not decide to believe something that well educated and heretical teachers teach. I don't see much value in blaming them for being ignorant. Edicate them, that is the best solution ....

I think that it is possible to be saved and not orthodox in your belief, both because orthodoxy is not the measure of salvation and because even believing in something that is wrong might occur in the believer, Our faith is relational, not creedal.

 

[tango]

I don't see any reason why ignorant people could not decide to believe something that well educated and heretical teachers teach. I don't see much value in blaming them for being ignorant. Edicate them, that is the best solution ....

... which is probably why James wrote what he did about teachers receiving a harsher judgment. Jesus also talked of people who led the little ones astray and how they'd be better off cast into the sea tied to a millstone.

 

[charis en excelcis]

I don't see any reason why ignorant people could not decide to believe something that well educated and heretical teachers teach. I don't see much value in blaming them for being ignorant. Edicate them, that is the best solution ....

I think that it is sad that you equated the untaught with the ignorant. Ignorance is related to the word ignore. An untaught person simply hasn't heard different. The ignorant refuse to receive truth or information. an untaught believer may also believe many thing that are wrong, until they are taught. They cannot be considered a heretic, because heresy is the act of an informed will.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I think that it is sad that you equated the untaught with the ignorant. ...

The Oxford English Dictionary says:

Definition of ignorant in English:
adjective

1 Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated​

 

[charis en excelcis]

The Oxford English Dictionary says:

Definition of ignorant in English:
adjective

1 Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated​

LOL. In American English ignorant has very negative connotations. Untaught does not. So, I apologize if this is not so in Australia,. I would advise you to keep that in mind in communicating with Americans.

 

[MoreCoffee]

LOL. In American English ignorant has very negative connotations. ...

I am not from the USA.

 

[Ruth]

LOL. In American English ignorant has very negative connotations. Untaught does not. So, I apologize if this is not so in Australia,. I would advise you to keep that in mind in communicating with Americans.

I am American and don't think that ignorant has a bad connotation.

 

[charis en excelcis]

Do you consider it neutral when you call someone ignorant?

 

[Hammster]

Helping people escape the prosperity gospel.

http://flip.it/3IsVN

 

[psalms 91]

I would think that we should be helping them to prosper as God says He wants us to in all things

 

[MoreCoffee]

I would think that we should be helping them to prosper as God says He wants us to in all things

It's one thing to prosper through careful investment and productive work and quite another to have some money collecting televangelist say "Send your seed money to me and watch how much God will prosper you!". The only one who prospers from the televangelist's money collecting is the televangelist and his staff; if they pass any of the money on to charities or to the poor in foreign lands it is only a small amount per recipient person compared to the vast amount they take for themselves and for their ministry.

 

[Hammster]

I would think that we should be helping them to prosper as God says He wants us to in all things

Prosper just like Jesus and the Apostles.

Crucified. Stabbed. Boiled. Beheaded. Etc.

 

[psalms 91]

Jesus payed the price for us to prosper in all things, or do you disagree with that?

 

[Hammster]

Jesus payed the price for us to prosper in all things, or do you disagree with that?

Disagree. No scripture to support.

 

[tango]

Jesus payed the price for us to prosper in all things, or do you disagree with that?

Jesus paid the price for our salvation. How does "take up your cross and follow me" turn into "prosper in all things"?

As Hammster said the apostles didn't do particularly well, materially speaking, for following Jesus.

 

[Hammster]

3 Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance,
4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope,
5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us. - Romans 5:3-5

29 For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake,
30 engaged in the same conflict that you saw I had and now hear that I still have. - Philippians 1:29-30

For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. - Romans 8:18

Look at all of that prosperity.