When you choose to ignore compelling evidence, this is quite different from my requiring compelling evidence before I will believe something. Yes, wind is invisible, but its effects can be verified. It doesn't take faith to believe in the kinetic molecular model of gases.
No, the existence of the universe does not in fact imply a creator.
Evolution does not preclude a creator...many Christians are able to reconcile the massive evidence in favor of evolution and their belief in God. The theory of evolution was not an effort to not believe in anything, it was a successful effort to explain the the diversity of life. The fallacy that complexity implies design has already been beautifully refuted too many times for it to still be lamely trotted out. Perhaps most notable among the many refutations is that of David Hume:
Then where is it? People always say "there is evidence" and yet never ever provide anything that passes for such. If there were evidence it wouldn't take faith to believe.
All I have done is point out that beliefs are not facts. That's as honest as it gets.
Interesting...you make a call for honesty, and then you admit you are willfully ignoring compelling evidence.
Yes, if you are going to say there is evidence when there is none, and then say there is none when there is, then we cannot effectively carry on a discussion. Both parties must be willing to be reasonable.
Yes, it is a fact that the Bible states things...however the truth of the Bible is a belief. There is no rational reason to believe it is true in its entirety.
I simply require compelling evidence. I am not willfully ignoring evidence as you are, I simply require evidence in the first place.
That's a very poor analogy...I and anyone can actually independently verify the end result from a recipe in a cookbook. Your recipe has an ingredient of faith, the willful suspension of rational thought. Buddhists and Hindus for example get a different result when they apply that same ingredient.
I have been nothing but intellectually honest...you cannot say the same...you have even admitted as much.
firstly i have not ever seen or heard Any compelling
evidence for evolution.. None zero zip
Theory and conjecture ,..but ZERO compelling evidence - which again.. is exactly what you say about creation..
so it comes down to what we have chosen to believe .
because the evidence we offer you is seen every time you walk out side and look upon it . BUT ..you have chosen to disbelieve it .
so -again - , you will say the evidence for evolution is seen by stepping outside and looking at it .. .. so i step outside and i look and i see NO evidence for evolution .. but i see total evidence of Gods creation.
and - i have been only Honest about it all - if i have not show my dishonesty rather then throwing the accusation.
and you are correct, there is no
rational reason to believe the bible . it is not teaching bout the rational world but the spiritual realm which is beyond comprehensions .
the greater question is ..
why do you require say you require compelling evidence ? is it because you are so confident that you will not get it that you can appease your own conscience -after all if there is no God there is no accountability, nor is there reason nor definable point to existence .(and that leads me down a dark path)
the other great question is .., if you got the compelling evidence you claim you need (which you wont because you wont find what you do not seek ) would you then bow to the Lord Jesus ..? and the answer is no . (not that iv met many that are honest about that)
i can assume the answer is No because f there was any part in your heart that desired to bow down ..then you would already have sought him from your heart with intent to do so.
but you have not .. you give what i think is quiet a lame second hand 3rd party excuse .. oh such and such a person or persons acted like this or that ..and because of them i don't believe in God ....
i maen yeh. iv heard that self excusing reason before .. its in Genesis .. the woman gave it to me its her fault . the serpent gave it to me its his fault .. blame shifting because we get deluded into thinking if it some one else fault ..i wont be accountable ..
-but Wrong .
---------------------
as for
"That's a very poor analogy...I and anyone can actually independently verify the end result from a recipe in a cookbook. Your recipe has an ingredient of faith, the willful suspension of rational thought. Buddhists and Hindus for example get a different result when they apply that same ingredient." ope its just an analogy you don't like and i have never heard a testimony from any of them of the same results .. because they are not applying what is written in the bible .
i have and have tangibly experience many of the things promised therein as a result of doing so .. you have applied none of it and got the result of doing so . "nothing"
.
now i have said what i said the first time and will say it over and over ..and never cease saying it .
you must turn away from your on thoughts and believe in the lord Jesus and receive the offer so freely given . you will not die if you don't .. because you are already dead in the utter futility of your existence .
\all your doing here is promoting opposition to Christianity using the one thing that has absolutely nothing to do with faith .. the flesh based carnal mind which is incapable of comprehending the things of the Spirit of God .