Does the Qu'ran tell the same truth found in the Christian Bible?

[MennoSota]

Faith is belief in the Spirit of GOD.

It can be heard from GOD in many ways I would think; namely though, through the High Preist/ Christ regardless if it comes from a book or a mouth or a spirit.

It is still the work of GOD by HIS grace to HIS glory.

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Satan believes in God. Is that faith?

 

[psalms 91]

Satan believes in God. Is that faith?

Nope satan saw God, what he saw and knew is not faith but knowledge

 

[MennoSota]

Nope satan saw God, what he saw and knew is not faith but knowledge

Exactly, which is why I point out that mere believing is not faith.
I posit that for Satan it is impossible for him to have faith. In fact, I extend it to all fallen angels. They cannot possibly have faith.
I will go farther to say that no human can possibly manufacture faith. Faith is not an emotion, nor is it simply an action. Faith is a gift, given by God to those whom he makes alive in Christ. (Ephesians 2:4-9)
Once God gives us the gift of faith we can then see how God defines it in Hebrews 11:1
[1]Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.

 

[psalms 91]

Exactly, which is why I point out that mere believing is not faith.
I posit that for Satan it is impossible for him to have faith. In fact, I extend it to all fallen angels. They cannot possibly have faith.
I will go farther to say that no human can possibly manufacture faith. Faith is not an emotion, nor is it simply an action. Faith is a gift, given by God to those whom he makes alive in Christ. (Ephesians 2:4-9)
Once God gives us the gift of faith we can then see how God defines it in Hebrews 11:1
[1]Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.

However we cqan grow it

 

[MennoSota]

However we cqan grow it

No. God can grow it. We are grafted into the vine. It is the vine that nourishes and grows our faith.
We, our own selves, are still depraved and no good can come from our selves. This is why Paul tells us that we have been crucified with Christ, nevertheless we live, yet not us, but Christ lives within us.
We cannot grow faith. We cannot do good. We are corrupted by the fall. But...Christ can do good and Christ is perfect. In Christ we are made righteous (Romans 5).
We make the mistake of thinking we are good. We need to face the reality that we aren't good and we can not be good as long as our sin nature still holds on. But, God's grace is greater than all our sin.
It is all God and nothing of ourselves.

 

[popsthebuilder]

No. God can grow it. We are grafted into the vine. It is the vine that nourishes and grows our faith.
We, our own selves, are still depraved and no good can come from our selves. This is why Paul tells us that we have been crucified with Christ, nevertheless we live, yet not us, but Christ lives within us.
We cannot grow faith. We cannot do good. We are corrupted by the fall. But...Christ can do good and Christ is perfect. In Christ we are made righteous (Romans 5).
We make the mistake of thinking we are good. We need to face the reality that we aren't good and we can not be good as long as our sin nature still holds on. But, God's grace is greater than all our sin.
It is all God and nothing of ourselves.

If we are dead to the desires of self due to faith in Christ; belief in the Word of GOD unto action; then our sin nature has been put out already, or we at least are being convicted of sin.

It is all GOD.

that isn't to say we aren't free to turn from sin or GOD.

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[MennoSota]

If we are dead to the desires of self due to faith in Christ; belief in the Word of GOD unto action; then our sin nature has been put out already, or we at least are being convicted of sin.

It is all GOD.

that isn't to say we aren't free to turn from sin or GOD.

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Paul expresses the great tension between our self and God's Spirit who indwells us in Romans 7. He expresses our victory in Romans 8.
It is only by God's grace, which is something you will never find in the Quran.
Instead, we read of the hopeless attempt in Islam to gain God's favor by good deeds in the attempt to have more good than bad by which...just maybe...God will show us mercy.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Paul expresses the great tension between our self and God's Spirit who indwells us in Romans 7. He expresses our victory in Romans 8.
It is only by God's grace, which is something you will never find in the Quran.
Instead, we read of the hopeless attempt in Islam to gain God's favor by good deeds in the attempt to have more good than bad by which...just maybe...God will show us mercy.

So you are trying to say that the grace of GOD is not spoken of within the Quran?

As if the book speaks against the very will of GOD being done?

Or as if it doesn't verify the very things that will come by GOD as described in the bible?

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[MennoSota]

So you are trying to say that the grace of GOD is not spoken of within the Quran?

Correct, as has everyone other than you.

As if the book speaks against the very will of GOD being done?

That's a huge leap that I did not make.

Or as if it doesn't verify the very things that will come by GOD as described in the bible?

Again, a huge leap that I did not make.
What I stated is that the Bible teaches about our righteousness coming only by God's grace. The Quran teaches that our attempt to be righteous may or may not cause God to be merciful. Those two teachings are entirely different.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Correct, as has everyone other than you.

That's a huge leap that I did not make.

Again, a huge leap that I did not make.
What I stated is that the Bible teaches about our righteousness coming only by God's grace. The Quran teaches that our attempt to be righteous may or may not cause God to be merciful. Those two teachings are entirely different.

The latter part of your statement is not an accurate depiction of what is represented in the Quran to me, and most likely isn't your own opinion either; just one you are parroting.

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[MennoSota]

The latter part of your statement is not an accurate depiction of what is represented in the Quran to me, and most likely isn't your own opinion either; just one you are parroting.

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I have read through the Quran. There is no grace for the redemption of man. There is only an attempt at good works with the possible hope that God might be merciful if we are good enough and keep the tenets of the Quran.
Many verses from the Quran have already been shared in this regard.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Here is a singular verse that shows that the Christ is GOD alone; that is to say that the Spirit that filled the man Jesus was the Spirit of GOD; and that the Quran verifies this though none will care to believe it as they would rather divide and attempt to drstroy based on false precontexts.

regardless; peace

21:22. Had there been in them other gods beside Allâh, then surely both would have gone to ruin. Glorified then be Allâh the Lord of the Throne of power, far above what they attribute.

(This verse is also a repeat of the words of Jesus himself about satan's house against itself being causal of it's own fall)

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[Andrew]

Here is a singular verse that shows that the Christ is GOD alone; that is to say that the Spirit that filled the man Jesus was the Spirit of GOD; and that the Quran verifies this though none will care to believe it as they would rather divide and attempt to drstroy based on false precontexts.

regardless; peace

21:22. Had there been in them other gods beside Allâh, then surely both would have gone to ruin. Glorified then be Allâh the Lord of the Throne of power, far above what they attribute.

(This verse is also a repeat of the words of Jesus himself about satan's house against itself being causal of it's own fall)

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"...in them..." who are 'them'?

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[popsthebuilder]

"...in them..." who are 'them'?

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Jesus son of Mary

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[Andrew]

Jesus son of Mary

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Jesus and Mary?

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[psalms 91]

Here is a singular verse that shows that the Christ is GOD alone; that is to say that the Spirit that filled the man Jesus was the Spirit of GOD; and that the Quran verifies this though none will care to believe it as they would rather divide and attempt to drstroy based on false precontexts.

regardless; peace

21:22. Had there been in them other gods beside Allâh, then surely both would have gone to ruin. Glorified then be Allâh the Lord of the Throne of power, far above what they attribute.

(This verse is also a repeat of the words of Jesus himself about satan's house against itself being causal of it's own fall)

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The muslims view Jesus as a great prophet and not the Messiah or son of God. It is a false religion like all the others as there is only one way to God and only one Messiah

 

[popsthebuilder]

My dear friend; the Quran expressly states that Jesus, son of Mary is the Messiah.

The muslims view Jesus as a great prophet and not the Messiah or son of God. It is a false religion like all the others as there is only one way to God and only one Messiah

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[Andrew]

My dear friend; the Quran expressly states that Jesus, son of Mary is the Messiah.

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We could agree to disagree I suppose. However much of the Muslim community would be arguing against this claim you have stated.
I have not read a single article from a Muslim apologist that considers Jesus Christ son of Mary as 'The Son of God Almighty'.
You can take the Quran and make whatever interpretation you desire out of it and it will be true; i.e. ISIS has a true interpretation of the Quran because they agree as a group that their interpretation is true... Indeed many peaceful muslims will not agree with them either, this makes the literature unstable and a stumbling block.
That is why Jesus called Peter the Rock, because he pronounced with his tongue that Jesus is the Messiah, many muslims cannot state this, that is without being a traitor to Muhammed or even persecuted.
I respect your interpretation as a means of a charismatic peaceful approach to join the two worlds together but unfortunately for your sake it doesn't cause a dint nor hinders our collective view of the islamic state.
God bless brother pops

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[psalms 91]

My dear friend; the Quran expressly states that Jesus, son of Mary is the Messiah.

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I would ask that you go to Iran or Saudi Arabia and say this, I doubt you would survive very long stating this.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I would ask that you go to Iran or Saudi Arabia and say this, I doubt you would survive very long stating this.

That's fine.....I'm just saying what is plainly written.

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