Does the Qu'ran tell the same truth found in the Christian Bible?

[popsthebuilder]

Pops doesn't accept that Jesus is the Son of God, that is why this has dragged on for so long. He is holding the Qur'an to be the higher truth over the Word of God and the promise.


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[Andrew]

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Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of GOD almighty and that he died for our sins?

Yes or No?


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[MennoSota]

Wow....how very unfounded. And what an inaccurate analogy.

I cannot even begin to express the manifold signs I have witnessed....more of the same from you though i see.

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Perhaps you missed God's big Stop Sign regarding the path you are going?
I note that Muhammad was possessed by a demon and tried to kill himself. The demon is likely the same demon that spoke to Joseph Smith. Be careful with "signs" that are contrary to what God clearly says in the Bible.

 

[atpollard]

Whatever.....just don't act like it is contrary to the bible when I have shown clearly and am willing to show more. If you think you are correct then you should be willing to continue to show such. If you think I am in grave error then you would think you would strive to change my perception; being a Christian and all, but then the vast majority seem to belief faith is not effectual nor causal to works pleasing to GOD, so maybe I am just waisting everyone's time; but I'm not the one who keeps bringing it back up in topics either.i will gladly end discussion on it, but i will not listen to lies propagated as Truth.

No sir. You do not get to play that card here.
We have presented multiple examples of verses from both the Quran and the Bible which are in DIRECT CONTRADICTION, and you have responded to each example by stating as a point of unsupported opinion masquerading as fact that the Bible is being misunderstood and the Quran is correct in its knowledge of Jesus Christ, Son of God, and the LORD GOD.

You may be many things, but you cannot credibly claim to be a Christian. A Christian believes the truth told by Jesus Christ and recorded by those who knew him over the lies about him written hundreds of years later. You deny the deity that Jesus affirms. You deny the death and resurrection of God incarnate that is the core of Christianity. You are just a new age cherry picker creating a god that tickles your fancy from bits and pieces plucked from diverse religions.

You say we should be willing to debate to convince you of your error as you have “shown clearly”. Here is what the Bible advises:

[Mat 10:14 NASB] 14 "Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.
[Mar 6:11 NASB] 11 "Any place that does not receive you or listen to you, as you go out from there, shake the dust off the soles of your feet for a testimony against them."
[Luk 9:5 NASB] 5 "And as for those who do not receive you, as you go out from that city, shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them."

Consider the dust shaken off ... I will waste no more time on your silly, dishonest games.

 

[atpollard]

Christ doesn't mean son of GOD; it means anointed by GOD.
the words only begotten son actually can translate wholly differently.
Equating the son to GOD is to equate man to the eternal and all mighty.
Jesus is never recorded to have done such.

DOES ‘SON OF GOD’ MEAN SON OF GOD?

[Mat 4:3, 6 NASB] 3 And the tempter came and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread." ... 6 and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, 'HE WILL COMMAND HIS ANGELS CONCERNING YOU'; and 'ON their HANDS THEY WILL BEAR YOU UP, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT STRIKE YOUR FOOT AGAINST A STONE.'"
[Mat 8:29 NASB] 29 And they cried out, saying, "What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?"
[Mat 26:63 NASB] 63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, "I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God."
[Mat 27:40, 43, 54 NASB] 40 and saying, "You who are going to destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, save Yourself! If You are the Son of God, come down from the cross." ... 43 "HE TRUSTS IN GOD; LET GOD RESCUE Him now, IF HE DELIGHTS IN HIM; for He said, 'I am the Son of God.'" ... 54 Now the centurion, and those who were with him keeping guard over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things that were happening, became very frightened and said, "Truly this was the Son of God!"
[Mar 1:1 NASB] 1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
[Mar 3:11 NASB] 11 Whenever the unclean spirits saw Him, they would fall down before Him and shout, "You are the Son of God!"
[Mar 15:39 NASB] 39 When the centurion, who was standing right in front of Him, saw the way He breathed His last, he said, "Truly this man was the Son of God!"
[Luk 1:35 NASB] 35 The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.
[Luk 3:38 NASB] 38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
[Luk 4:3, 9, 41 NASB] 3 And the devil said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread." ... 9 And he led Him to Jerusalem and had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down from here; ... 41 Demons also were coming out of many, shouting, "You are the Son of God!" But rebuking them, He would not allow them to speak, because they knew Him to be the Christ.
[Luk 22:70 NASB] 70 And they all said, "Are You the Son of God, then?" And He said to them, "Yes, I am."
[Jhn 1:34, 49 NASB] 34 "I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Son of God." ... 49 Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel."
[Jhn 3:18 NASB] 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[Jhn 5:25 NASB] 25 "Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
[Jhn 10:36 NASB] 36 do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?
[Jhn 11:4, 27 NASB] 4 But when Jesus heard this, He said, "This sickness is not to end in death, but for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified by it." ... 27 She said to Him, "Yes, Lord; I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God, even He who comes into the world."
[Jhn 19:7 NASB] 7 The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and by that law He ought to die because He made Himself out to be the Son of God."
[Jhn 20:31 NASB] 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
[Act 8:37 NASB] 37 [And Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." And he answered and said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."]
[Act 9:20 NASB] 20 and immediately he began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, saying, "He is the Son of God."
[Rom 1:4 NASB] 4 who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,
[2Co 1:19 NASB] 19 For the Son of God, Christ Jesus, who was preached among you by us--by me and Silvanus and Timothy--was not yes and no, but is yes in Him.
[Gal 2:20 NASB] 20 "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
[Eph 4:13 NASB] 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.
[Heb 4:14 NASB] 14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.
[Heb 6:6 NASB] 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.
[Heb 7:3 NASB] 3 Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.
[Heb 10:29 NASB] 29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
[1Jo 3:8 NASB] 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
[1Jo 4:15 NASB] 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
[1Jo 5:5, 10, 12-13, 20 NASB] 5 Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? ... 10 The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. ... 12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. ... 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
[Rev 2:18 NASB] 18 "And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: The Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet are like burnished bronze, says this:

More of your contra-Biblical nonsense.

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Less we forget ...

Quran 19:88-92
88. And they say, “The Most Merciful has begotten a son.”
89. You have come up with something monstrous.
90. At which the heavens almost rupture, and the earth splits, and the mountains fall and crumble.
91. Because they attribute a son to the Most Merciful.
92. It is not fitting for the Most Merciful to have a son.

 

[atpollard]

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of GOD almighty and that he died for our sins?

Yes or No?

Of course he does, just like the Jehovah’s Witnesses accept that Jesus was the son of GOD ... but not really GOD.
It is all in how you redefine the words ... CHRIST was the God, but JESUS was just a man. JESUS died and CHRIST/GOD cannot die.

 

[Andrew]

Of course he does, just like the Jehovah’s Witnesses accept that Jesus was the son of GOD ... but not really GOD.
It is all in how you redefine the words ... CHRIST was the God, but JESUS was just a man. JESUS died and CHRIST/GOD cannot die.

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[popsthebuilder]

No sir. You do not get to play that card here.
We have presented multiple examples of verses from both the Quran and the Bible which are in DIRECT CONTRADICTION, and you have responded to each example by stating as a point of unsupported opinion masquerading as fact that the Bible is being misunderstood and the Quran is correct in its knowledge of Jesus Christ, Son of God, and the LORD GOD.

You may be many things, but you cannot credibly claim to be a Christian. A Christian believes the truth told by Jesus Christ and recorded by those who knew him over the lies about him written hundreds of years later. You deny the deity that Jesus affirms. You deny the death and resurrection of God incarnate that is the core of Christianity. You are just a new age cherry picker creating a god that tickles your fancy from bits and pieces plucked from diverse religions.

You say we should be willing to debate to convince you of your error as you have “shown clearly”. Here is what the Bible advises:

[Mat 10:14 NASB] 14 "Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.
[Mar 6:11 NASB] 11 "Any place that does not receive you or listen to you, as you go out from there, shake the dust off the soles of your feet for a testimony against them."
[Luk 9:5 NASB] 5 "And as for those who do not receive you, as you go out from that city, shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them."

Consider the dust shaken off ... I will waste no more time on your silly, dishonest games.

The only actual contradiction is that the bible is translated to say son of GOD due to the arcc doctrine of GOD the and Mary mother of GOD.

Past that they are in agreement, and the reason it is against such in the quran is due to it being strongly against polytheism.

The rest of your points are just you adding to my actual words and claiming I deny Christ/ GOD with us.

Looks like you aren't actually done though because I see you made more posts quoting me...it is telling that you will occupy yourself with slander, but not sincere desire to help one you claim is lost, and not even Christian.

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[popsthebuilder]

DOES ‘SON OF GOD’ MEAN SON OF GOD?

[Mat 4:3, 6 NASB] 3 And the tempter came and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread." ... 6 and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, 'HE WILL COMMAND HIS ANGELS CONCERNING YOU'; and 'ON their HANDS THEY WILL BEAR YOU UP, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT STRIKE YOUR FOOT AGAINST A STONE.'"
[Mat 8:29 NASB] 29 And they cried out, saying, "What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?"
[Mat 26:63 NASB] 63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, "I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God."
[Mat 27:40, 43, 54 NASB] 40 and saying, "You who are going to destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, save Yourself! If You are the Son of God, come down from the cross." ... 43 "HE TRUSTS IN GOD; LET GOD RESCUE Him now, IF HE DELIGHTS IN HIM; for He said, 'I am the Son of God.'" ... 54 Now the centurion, and those who were with him keeping guard over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things that were happening, became very frightened and said, "Truly this was the Son of God!"
[Mar 1:1 NASB] 1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
[Mar 3:11 NASB] 11 Whenever the unclean spirits saw Him, they would fall down before Him and shout, "You are the Son of God!"
[Mar 15:39 NASB] 39 When the centurion, who was standing right in front of Him, saw the way He breathed His last, he said, "Truly this man was the Son of God!"
[Luk 1:35 NASB] 35 The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.
[Luk 3:38 NASB] 38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
[Luk 4:3, 9, 41 NASB] 3 And the devil said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread." ... 9 And he led Him to Jerusalem and had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down from here; ... 41 Demons also were coming out of many, shouting, "You are the Son of God!" But rebuking them, He would not allow them to speak, because they knew Him to be the Christ.
[Luk 22:70 NASB] 70 And they all said, "Are You the Son of God, then?" And He said to them, "Yes, I am."
[Jhn 1:34, 49 NASB] 34 "I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Son of God." ... 49 Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel."
[Jhn 3:18 NASB] 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[Jhn 5:25 NASB] 25 "Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
[Jhn 10:36 NASB] 36 do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?
[Jhn 11:4, 27 NASB] 4 But when Jesus heard this, He said, "This sickness is not to end in death, but for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified by it." ... 27 She said to Him, "Yes, Lord; I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God, even He who comes into the world."
[Jhn 19:7 NASB] 7 The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and by that law He ought to die because He made Himself out to be the Son of God."
[Jhn 20:31 NASB] 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
[Act 8:37 NASB] 37 [And Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." And he answered and said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."]
[Act 9:20 NASB] 20 and immediately he began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, saying, "He is the Son of God."
[Rom 1:4 NASB] 4 who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,
[2Co 1:19 NASB] 19 For the Son of God, Christ Jesus, who was preached among you by us--by me and Silvanus and Timothy--was not yes and no, but is yes in Him.
[Gal 2:20 NASB] 20 "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
[Eph 4:13 NASB] 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.
[Heb 4:14 NASB] 14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.
[Heb 6:6 NASB] 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.
[Heb 7:3 NASB] 3 Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.
[Heb 10:29 NASB] 29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
[1Jo 3:8 NASB] 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
[1Jo 4:15 NASB] 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
[1Jo 5:5, 10, 12-13, 20 NASB] 5 Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? ... 10 The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. ... 12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. ... 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
[Rev 2:18 NASB] 18 "And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: The Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet are like burnished bronze, says this:

More of your contra-Biblical nonsense.

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Less we forget ...

Quran 19:88-92
88. And they say, “The Most Merciful has begotten a son.”
89. You have come up with something monstrous.
90. At which the heavens almost rupture, and the earth splits, and the mountains fall and crumble.
91. Because they attribute a son to the Most Merciful.
92. It is not fitting for the Most Merciful to have a son.

We see here the word "the" is actually added here, and that son is synonimous with other translations such as follower

"'HE WILL COMMAND HIS ANGELS CONCERNING YOU'; and 'ON their HANDS THEY WILL BEAR YOU UP, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT STRIKE YOUR FOOT AGAINST A STONE.'""

We see here this is a reference to the Christ/ the Messiah.

Christ isn't synonymous with son. Regardless of how many times you want it to be.

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[Andrew]

The only actual contradiction is that the bible is translated to say son of GOD due to the arcc doctrine of GOD the and Mary mother of GOD.

Past that they are in agreement, and the reason it is against such in the quran is due to it being strongly against polytheism.

The rest of your points are just you adding to my actual words and claiming I deny Christ/ GOD with us.

Looks like you aren't actually done though because I see you made more posts quoting me...it is telling that you will occupy yourself with slander, but not sincere desire to help one you claim is lost, and not even Christian.

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Why can't you just answer my question either Yes or No?

Do you believe that Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the only begotten Son of GOD who was crucified, died, and was resurrected on the third day, ascended to Heaven and now sits on the right hand of God?

YES

or

NO

??

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[popsthebuilder]

Why can't you just answer my question either Yes or No?

Do you believe that Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the only begotten Son of GOD who was crucified, died, and was resurrected on the third day, ascended to Heaven and now sits on the right hand of God?

YES

or

NO

??

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I'll be happy to answer just as soon as you explain how such saves us.

I already showed that only begotten son actually does also translate as unique follower of GOD.

if only begotten what the correct translation then why are we told that we too will be sons of GOD.

I agree with everything your said but admit that only begotten son can be translated differently; and isn't self contradictory that way either.

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[atpollard]

Nicene Creed:

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only‐begotten Son of God, begotten of His Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made; who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried. And the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures and ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father. And He will come again with glory to judge both the living and the dead, whose kingdom will have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And I believe in one holy Christian and apostolic Church I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins, and I look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.

 

[Andrew]

I'll be happy to answer just as soon as you explain how such saves us.

I already showed that only begotten son actually does also translate as unique follower of GOD.

if only begotten what the correct translation then why are we told that we too will be sons of GOD.

I agree with everything your said but admit that only begotten son can be translated differently; and isn't self contradictory that way either.

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Christ is the first and only example we are to follow to become Sons of GOD, and by being the first and only he is the Alpha and Omega, he is the Only BEGOTTEN Son of GOD almighty.
The Holy Spirit which was ever present even throughout the Old Testament is evidence of his presents now and then, the first and last. The last shall be as the first and the first shall be as the last but it is through Jesus Christ and no other that we shall be saved.
Look up the strongs concordance on the word 'begotten' please because it means 'from the direct seed of household and continuing of'... I remember this from research a few years back.
Im listening to you brother, I can get impatient I do admit so please forgive me.
Your arguments seem hypothetical to me and although the spirit is what affects us now through the Word it does not dilute the fact that Jesus came in the flesh and died in the flesh.
Muhammed is a historical person that apparently lead great armies and attacks but who's followers have added extreme interpretations that can cause havoc and chaos... ISIS is a well suited example of this in our time.
Christ Jesus is accepted by Jews, Christians and Muslims as being an absolute real person yet historically falls short of evidence outside the bible. There are no instructions in the NT to strike another person nor to twist the words toward global totality aims or strict man made law such as Sharia law.
It's not the same message period.
You cant just say to the Bible, 'oh its all about being enlightened and such'. It is not just another religion so if you can just answer the original question please.

[I apologize for the recent edits]

 

[popsthebuilder]

Christ is the first and only example we are to follow to become Sons of GOD, and by being the first and only he is the Alpha and Omega, he is the Only BEGOTTEN Son of GOD almighty.
The Holy Spirit which was ever present even throughout the Old Testament is evidence of his presents now and then, the first and last. The last shall be as the first and the first shall be as the last but it is through Jesus Christ and no other that we shall be saved.
Look up the strongs concordance on the word 'begotten' please because it means 'from the direct seed of household and continuing of'... I remember this from research a few years back.
Im listening to you brother, I can get impatient I do admit so please forgive me.
Your arguments seem hypothetical to me and although the spirit is what affects us now through the Word it does not dilute the fact that Jesus came in the flesh and died in the flesh.
Muhammed is a historical person that apparently lead great armies and attacks but who's followers have added extreme interpretations that can cause havoc and chaos... ISIS is a well suited example of this in our time.
Christ Jesus is accepted by Jews, Christians and Muslims as being an absolute real person yet historically falls short of evidence outside the bible. There are no instructions in the NT to strike another person nor to twist the words toward global totality aims or strict man made law such as Sharia law.
It's not the same message period.
You cant just say to the Bible, 'oh its all about being enlightened and such'. It is not just another religion so if you can just answer the original question please.

[I apologize for the recent edits]

Im not sure exactly where we are missing one another.

Christ being the Word of GOD, and as such; being the first born of GOD and the last judge of all; Alpha and Omega, is in no way refuted within the quran. Me understanding how the word son can be misused is not me denying my beloved; Christ or Jesus.

I never said or insinuated that there was any other Way to GOD. The Holy Spirit indeed did work throughout the OT and the lives of the Messengers and prophets of GOD.

Why do I need to look up the word begotten in the Strong's concordance when it isn't even actually in the Greek bible?

You revisiting the topic at hand regardless of your perception of me is telling in itself. We all get impatient at times. We can get angry and frustrated too; but when we let our anger go in favor of the potential of peacable profitable conversation; well, then, to me; we are exhibiting a good characteristic and allowing for hope. What I am saying is that you seem to be a true Christian in that you actually give some emphassis to the Word of GOD as it pertains to your life, thought and deed. You do not ever need to apologise toe for exhibiting such fair qualities friend. I can't even ask for your patience justifiably due to my own lack of such at times. The fact that you exhibit sincerity is all I could hope for.

We can all be led astray by following the traditions and interpretations of past men. It is something that can happen to anyone except the very elect in my opinion; and in no way correlates to believe in the quran or Mohammad alone. Such is evident due to the fact that very many "christians" have gone very far off the straight path too.

It will never be my intent to dilute the fact that GOD came in the form of a man for the sake of all creation.

I don't know what you mean about enlightened and another religion. I do not divide the faithful towards GOD along "religious" lines, but by their word and deed( the fruits of their spirit).

What was your original question please?

Thank you for your leveled approach and apparent sincerity friend.

peace

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[popsthebuilder]

Nicene Creed:

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only‐begotten Son of God, begotten of His Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made; who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried. And the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures and ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father. And He will come again with glory to judge both the living and the dead, whose kingdom will have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And I believe in one holy Christian and apostolic Church I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins, and I look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.

So one believing in a creed devised by men is one being a Christian, as opposed to one believing Christ?



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[atpollard]

So one believing in a creed devised by men is one being a Christian, as opposed to one believing Christ?

Ask a Jehovah’s Witness (who also ‘believes in Christ’ but rejects the Nicene Creed).
As stated, I will continue to correct error, but play no more games.

 

[atpollard]

Why do I need to look up the word begotten in the Strong's concordance when it isn't even actually in the Greek bible?

[John 1:14 NASB] 14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
[John 1:18 NASB] 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
[John 3:16 NASB] 16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
[John 3:18 NASB] 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


[Jhn 1:14, 18 MGNT] 14 καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν καὶ ἐθεασάμεθα τὴν δόξαν αὐτοῦ δόξαν ὡς μονογενοῦς παρὰ πατρός πλήρης χάριτος καὶ ἀληθείας ... 18 θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο
[Jhn 3:16, 18 MGNT] 16 οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ’ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον ... 18 ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν οὐ κρίνεται ὁ δὲ μὴ πιστεύων ἤδη κέκριται ὅτι μὴ πεπίστευκεν εἰς τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ μονογενοῦς υἱοῦ τοῦ θεοῦ


[Jhn 1:14, 18 NASB] 14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only[G3439] begotten[G3439] from the Father, full of grace and truth. ... 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only[G3439] begotten[G3439] God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
[Jhn 3:16, 18 NASB] 16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only[G3439] begotten[G3439] Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. ... 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only[G3439] begotten[G3439] Son of God.

 

[psalms 91]

Is that aramaic perhaps?

 

[atpollard]

Is that aramaic perhaps?

MGNT stands for Morphological Greek New Testament.

 

[popsthebuilder]

[John 1:14 NASB] 14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
[John 1:18 NASB] 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
[John 3:16 NASB] 16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
[John 3:18 NASB] 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


[Jhn 1:14, 18 MGNT] 14 καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν καὶ ἐθεασάμεθα τὴν δόξαν αὐτοῦ δόξαν ὡς μονογενοῦς παρὰ πατρός πλήρης χάριτος καὶ ἀληθείας ... 18 θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο
[Jhn 3:16, 18 MGNT] 16 οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ’ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον ... 18 ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν οὐ κρίνεται ὁ δὲ μὴ πιστεύων ἤδη κέκριται ὅτι μὴ πεπίστευκεν εἰς τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ μονογενοῦς υἱοῦ τοῦ θεοῦ


[Jhn 1:14, 18 NASB] 14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only[G3439] begotten[G3439] from the Father, full of grace and truth. ... 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only[G3439] begotten[G3439] God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
[Jhn 3:16, 18 NASB] 16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only[G3439] begotten[G3439] Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. ... 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only[G3439] begotten[G3439] Son of God.

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