Does the Qu'ran tell the same truth found in the Christian Bible?

[popsthebuilder]

Are you saying that God does not provide unmerited favor? The Bible declares that God certainly does so.

That is not at all what I am saying.

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[popsthebuilder]

... and here is the section of Matthew 10 with the comment about the sword:

Matthew 10:24-39 NASB
24 “A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. 25 It is enough for the disciple that he become like his teacher, and the slave like his master. If they have called the head of the house Beelzebul, how much more will they malign the members of his household!
26 “Therefore do not fear them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. 27 What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear whispered in your ear, proclaim upon the housetops. 28 Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father. 30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 So do not fear; you are more valuable than many sparrows.
32 “Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.
34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; 36 and A MAN’S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD.
37 “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.


You say this "proclaim for us to be merciful reciprocally towards all due to the mercy of GOD."
Reading Matthew 10, I say that statement is incorrect.

I do not see how Matthew 10 and Quran 9 have anything close to the same message (no matter how many times you make that claim without providing any examples or explanation).

I will gladly show the mercy I am speaking about when I have time. I must read and cut and paste for myself due to the fact that I don't rely of the interpretation of others. I can't just put it in a search bar and click enter, but actually have to do the work myself which i much prefer anyway. It just takes time.

So please be patient.



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[MennoSota]

That is not at all what I am saying.

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Where in the Quran do we find God granting unmerited favor to any human?
The Quran declares that God may be merciful, but I don't read where it says that God chooses to give unmerited favor to whomsoever He wills.

 

[Andrew]

I will gladly show the mercy I am speaking about when I have time. I must read and cut and paste for myself due to the fact that I don't rely of the interpretation of others. I can't just put it in a search bar and click enter, but actually have to do the work myself which i much prefer anyway. It just takes time.

So please be patient.



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I know you believe that all religions are under one umbrella of God but Islam is the only religion that ambushes and bullies other countries in the streets demanding Islamic law. How many Christians does Islam need to slaughter for you to realize that they do not have the same message that Christ taught on Gods behalf?
We are well forewarned of a religion/government system of peace that uses deceit and demands either death or tax under that beast system through the false prophet


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[popsthebuilder]

OK, just point out the verse where the Quran talks about Muslims being merciful to unbelievers "due to the mercy of GOD":

But if they repent, and perform the prayers, and pay the alms, then let them go their way. God is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.
6. And if anyone of the polytheists asks you for protection, give him protection so that he may hear the Word of God; then escort him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
7. How can there be a treaty with the polytheists on the part of God and His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at the Sacred Mosque? As long as they are upright with you, be upright with them. God loves the pious.
8. How? Whenever they overcome you, they respect neither kinship nor treaty with you. They satisfy you with lip service, but their hearts refuse, and most of them are immoral.
9. They traded away God's revelations for a cheap price, so they barred others from His path. How evil is what they did.
10. Towards a believer they respect neither kinship nor treaty. These are the transgressors.
11. But if they repent, and perform the prayers, and give the obligatory charity, then they are your brethren in faith. We detail the revelations for a people who know.

14. Fight them. God will punish them at your hands, and humiliate them, and help you against them, and heal the hearts of a believing people.
15. And He will remove the anger of their hearts. God redeems whomever He wills. God is Knowledgeable and Wise.
16. Or do you think that you will be left alone, without God identifying which of you will strive, and take no supporters apart from God, His Messenger, and the believers? God is well Aware of what you do.

21. Their Lord announces to them good news of mercy from Him, and acceptance, and gardens wherein they will have lasting bliss.
22. Abiding therein forever. With God is a great reward.
23. O you who believe! Do not ally yourselves with your parents and your siblings if they prefer disbelief to belief. Whoever of you allies himself with them—these are the wrongdoers.
24. Say, “If your parents, and your children, and your siblings, and your spouses, and your relatives, and the wealth you have acquired, and a business you worry about, and homes you love, are more dear to you than God, and His Messenger, and the struggle in His cause, then wait until God executes His judgment.” God does not guide the sinful people.
25. God has given you victory in numerous regions; but on the day of Hunayn, your great number impressed you, but it availed you nothing; and the land, as spacious as it was, narrowed for you; and you turned your backs in retreat.
26. Then God sent down His serenity upon His Messenger, and upon the believers; and He sent down troops you did not see; and He punished those who disbelieved. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
27. Then, after that, God will relent towards whomever He wills. God is Forgiving and Merciful.

And fight the polytheists collectively, as they fight you collectively, and know that God is with the righteous.




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[popsthebuilder]

I know you believe that all religions are under one umbrella of God but Islam is the only religion that ambushes and bullies other countries in the streets demanding Islamic law. How many Christians does Islam need to slaughter for you to realize that they do not have the same message that Christ taught on Gods behalf?
We are well forewarned of a religion/government system of peace that uses deceit and demands either death or tax under that beast system through the false prophet


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Though people go along with their knowing or ignorant sin due to the traditions of man; that in no way meant the core sacred text associated with their faith is not of GOD.

look at all the atrocious acts that have happened at the hands of supposed Christian's. Ever heard of an even scale? How bout a pot calling a kettle black?

We cannot judge the validity of a book on the actions of the masses.

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[Andrew]

Though people go along with their knowing or ignorant sin due to the traditions of man; that in no way meant the core sacred text associated with their faith is not of GOD.

look at all the atrocious acts that have happened at the hands of supposed Christian's. Ever heard of an even scale? How bout a pot calling a kettle black?

We cannot judge the validity of a book on the actions of the masses.

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List them please

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[popsthebuilder]

List them please

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I will not go through an extensive list.

Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, witch trials, sodomy and molestation and rape of small children, misdirecting the masses for personal gain in this world or whatsoever....due to greed. Guess what church was the only active religion during Nazi Germany....I think that is enough. I am not saying that any sect of Christianity is currently guilty of such, or that the wickedness of their forefather's will be weighed against them.

There have also been many other cult followings that have surely gone wholly against the will of GOD, and even more are attested to by an ancient poeple and the written word of GOD within the old testament.

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[Andrew]

I will not go through an extensive list.

Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, witch trials, sodomy and molestation and rape of small children, misdirecting the masses for personal gain in this world or whatsoever....due to greed. Guess what church was the only active religion during Nazi Germany....I think that is enough. I am not saying that any sect of Christianity is currently guilty of such, or that the wickedness of their forefather's will be weighed against them.

There have also been many other cult followings that have surely gone wholly against the will of GOD, and even more are attested to by an ancient poeple and the written word of GOD within the old testament.

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And the muslim community wishes to revert to the age of law, doesnt supporting the quran support shariah law?


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[popsthebuilder]

And the muslim community wishes to revert to the age of law, doesnt supporting the quran support shariah law?


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For me? No.

I am only speaking about the quran and the fact that it speaks the same truths as the bible.

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[Andrew]

For me? No.

I am only speaking about the quran and the fact that it speaks the same truths as the bible.

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Well I advise you invest in this book and not an app. According to this book, ISIS is on the right path at fully showcasing their beliefs of a nazi god, sorry but Allah is not God but is a false god against Christ and I am worried for you to defend it any longer. Be one with all religions if you will, but please allow the scales and blinders to fall off because Islam is the OPPOSITE message of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! By accepting the Quran you are accepting the Quran jesus and rejecting the truth of the biblical Jesus/God in the flesh!
Do you believe in the Trinity? Son Father Holy Spirit?

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[popsthebuilder]

Well I advise you invest in this book and not an app. According to this book, ISIS is on the right path at fully showcasing their beliefs of a nazi god, sorry but Allah is not God but is a false god against Christ and I am worried for you to defend it any longer. Be one with all religions if you will, but please allow the scales and blinders to fall off because Islam is the OPPOSITE message of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! By accepting the Quran you are accepting the Quran jesus and rejecting the truth of the biblical Jesus/God in the flesh!
Do you believe in the Trinity? Son Father Holy Spirit?

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We have been going over supposed differences. There is no thing for me to fear whatsoever except my actions or the lack there of in the sight of GOD.

The app I read is an accurate translation. I do not fault the book for the actions of the people, just like I do not fault the bible for the misdirection of the people.

If you are genuinely worried then you would look to prove your claims of it being of another GOD ( there is only One, by the way)and opposed to Christ (which it is not whatsoever) by comparison of the two books themselves, directly.

You seem to be saying I shouldn't read a book because it could be dangerous for me; but GOD tells us to fear no thing and to seek HIM. How would we know if it is of GOD unless we attempt to find out for ourselves with as little bias as possible? GOD is no respecter of persons, but you would have me just go ahead and assume that the opinion of the masses( the ones in knowing error(known by their works)) is correct and draw a line in the sand against a supposed enemy when we aren't told to do such to our enemy any way, if we are indeed followers of Christ.

So what is your point?

You seem to condemn a whole people because they aren't trinitarians. I am not a traditional trinitarian. I don't believe in the co-eternal nature of the Son but in one direction....as in the Son was created.... So am I now your enemy? What will you do to your enemy? What does our blessed King and Lord lead us to do?



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[Andrew]

For me? No.

I am only speaking about the quran and the fact that it speaks the same truths as the bible.

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It is far from the same truth as the bible.
Where is grace and loving your enemies? Love being a great command? Spread the good news of the resurrection? Do not hate your brother or you are a murderer cut off from eternal life?? Christ death burial hell resurrection ascension and on his throne in heaven until his second coming?
Allah is not God, Allah is the filthy whore that tramps along the world for nations to get sucked into and fornicate with, she is full of blasphemous lies and deceptions with sins piled up to the high heavens... IMO

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[popsthebuilder]

It is far from the same truth as the bible.
Where is grace and loving your enemies? Love being a great command? Spread the good news of the resurrection? Do not hate your brother or you are a murderer cut off from eternal life?? Christ death burial hell resurrection ascension and on his throne in heaven until his second coming?
Allah is not God, Allah is the filthy whore that tramps along the world for nations to get sucked into and fornicate with, she is full of blasphemous lies and deceptions with sins piled up to the high heavens... IMO

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I could actually show you every bit of that from the quran; except Christ didn't die, Jesus did. Christ is anointed with the Spirit of GOD; which cannot be killed.



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[Andrew]

We have been going over supposed differences. There is no thing for me to fear whatsoever except my actions or the lack there of in the sight of GOD.

The app I read is an accurate translation. I do not fault the book for the actions of the people, just like I do not fault the bible for the misdirection of the people.

If you are genuinely worried then you would look to prove your claims of it being of another GOD ( there is only One, by the way)and opposed to Christ (which it is not whatsoever) by comparison of the two books themselves, directly.

You seem to be saying I shouldn't read a book because it could be dangerous for me; but GOD tells us to fear no thing and to seek HIM. How would we know if it is of GOD unless we attempt to find out for ourselves with as little bias as possible? GOD is no respecter of persons, but you would have me just go ahead and assume that the opinion of the masses( the ones in knowing error(known by their works)) is correct and draw a line in the sand against a supposed enemy when we aren't told to do such to our enemy any way, if we are indeed followers of Christ.

So what is your point?

You seem to condemn a whole people because they aren't trinitarians. I am not a traditional trinitarian. I don't believe in the co-eternal nature of the Son but in one direction....as in the Son was created.... So am I now your enemy? What will you do to your enemy? What does our blessed King and Lord lead us to do?



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Brother may God be with you. You are in deep terrible waters. Pray to Christ Jesus and ask him any questions you have. The quran is evil evil evil and they are very clever in their deceit, they will create a bright beautiful light for you to awe over, but in reality it is most dark and ugly and dangerous... Stay away from its teachings.
You are either with Christ or against Christ. Choose wisely my friend

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[Andrew]

I could actually show you every bit of that from the quran; except Christ didn't die, Jesus did. Christ is anointed with the Spirit of GOD; which cannot be killed.



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So only half of Jesus was crucified? The second half being Christ didn't die? Did Christ resurrect Jesus? Im confused

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[popsthebuilder]

Brother may God be with you. You are in deep terrible waters. Pray to Christ Jesus and ask him any questions you have. The quran is evil evil evil and they are very clever in their deceit, they will create a bright beautiful light for you to awe over, but in reality it is most dark and ugly and dangerous... Stay away from its teachings.
You are either with Christ or against Christ. Choose wisely my friend

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You might care to know that the Quran led me to my faith in Christ.

I will ask you to please not insult what I hold dear.

Indeed who is not against Christ is on His part. The Quran is of GOD and in no way denies Christ or the Messiah or the second coming or the ressurection or Christ being the first and last or the final judge. It teaches the same things for the same reasons to the same people.

Please do not worry about me.....I've been in much deeper, much darker waters than these; by my own intent. Evil can wholly encompass me and not affect me due to our GOD.

peace

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[popsthebuilder]

So only half of Jesus was crucified? The second half being Christ didn't die? Did Christ resurrect Jesus? Im confused

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The Holy Temple (Jesus material body) was destroyed and raised back up on the third day. The Spirit of GOD which dwelled within the body of Jesus and filled His vessel, did not die; nor was it ever contained or limited to the Holy Temple (Jesus). So you limiting the capacity of GOD by saying HE couldn't be in Jesus and too resurrect Jesus is unscriptural and wholly unfounded and really unbecoming in my opinion.



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[atpollard]

Quran 4:157 And for their saying, “We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messenger of God.” In fact, they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them as if they did. Indeed, those who differ about him are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it, except the following of assumptions. Certainly, they did not kill him.

1 Corinthians 1:22-24 22 For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, 24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

Acts 2:36 36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

[Romans 5:6, 8 NIV] 6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. ... 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
[Romans 14:9 NIV] 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
[1Corinthians 15:3 NIV] 3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,

The Quran lies about Jesus ... and if Jesus words are true, then those who believe the lies of the Quran cannot come to God without believing in Jesus.

John 3:16-18 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Quran 4:157 And for their saying, “We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messenger of God.” In fact, they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them as if they did. Indeed, those who differ about him are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it, except the following of assumptions. Certainly, they did not kill him.

1 Corinthians 1:22-24 22 For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, 24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

Acts 2:36 36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

[Romans 5:6, 8 NIV] 6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. ... 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
[Romans 14:9 NIV] 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
[1Corinthians 15:3 NIV] 3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,

The Quran lies about Jesus ... and if Jesus words are true, then those who believe the lies of the Quran cannot come to God without believing in Jesus.

John 3:16-18 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

"Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God"

(So think for a second; is the power and wisdom of GOD dead or alive?)

Jesus surely did die by the hands of men, but that in no way means the Christ died literally. As if any man can extinguish the light and flame of GOD.

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