Can your bible make you into a bigot and a 'jerk'?

[MoreCoffee]

In another forum, out of a desire to uphold traditional Christian marriage and the meaning of marriage as a union between one man and one woman in the sight of God and with God's blessing, a new set of rules was proposed which amounted to saying to same sex people who are legally married that they cannot use 'married' as their marital status. I objected to the proposed rule reasoning that I will not allow bible verses or the official pronouncements of my Church or the rules of the forum to turn me into a bigot. In brief, in a slogan like phrase, I will not willingly become Jerk for God or Bigoted for God. Will you let the things you do, how you do them, and who you to them to become mistreatment of another human being - made in the image of God - because there's a bible verse (or many verses) that condemn certain sins?

 

[psalms 91]

Sorry, I agree with one man one woman as marriage, if they wish to call it a civil union so be it but I will not go against God on this or anything else that goes against God. I will not compromise to be PC nor should anyone else.

 

[seekingsolace]

In another forum, out of a desire to uphold traditional Christian marriage and the meaning of marriage as a union between one man and one woman in the sight of God and with God's blessing, a new set of rules was proposed which amounted to saying to same sex people who are legally married that they cannot use 'married' as their marital status. I objected to the proposed rule reasoning that I will not allow bible verses or the official pronouncements of my Church or the rules of the forum to turn me into a bigot. In brief, in a slogan like phrase, I will not willingly become Jerk for God or Bigoted for God. Will you let the things you do, how you do them, and who you to them to become mistreatment of another human being - made in the image of God - because there's a bible verse (or many verses) that condemn certain sins?

The problem I think is an emotional investment that shadows a clearer picture of the situation. I know you are friends with persons who will be affected by those changes.

I do not think, as you succinctly said "a desire to uphold traditional Christian marriage and the meaning of marriage as a union between one man and one woman in the sight of God and with God's blessing" is in any way a bigoted view or a reproach to the gay community. The definition of marriage is not really the foundation for these views, but the concept and morale ground of what it represents in the Christian faith. Could this have been done a better way? more than likely; but it was never in the intent of malice, bigoted views or evil.

Is it mistreatment of individuals to ask them to respect your beliefs on a Christian forum? This should not in any way impact their personal lives or civil status.

I support helping all people, but I will not gloss over the Word of God to pander to the masses. I do not treat homosexuals, adulterers, and so on, any differently to other fellow Christians. I would be a fool if anyone were openly promoting sins and stood back and said nothing however. There is an important difference between acting and helping in good faith, and letting the world overcome you. Now I have never had to act in an evil or un-Christian manner to uphold Gods word, so why would this be any different.

Did Jesus not make enemies for proclaiming the Gospel, and rebuking the hypocrites?

 

[Alithis]

well its not the first time folks think its ok to disregard scripture in favor of personal preference .

i say "drop judging the gay " and get on with sharing the Gospel . god will judge in due time and he alone is just and righteous to do so .how can i who am one pulled from the slough judge those who have not yet been pulled from it ?

and i think it will be awfully painful to observe people who hold such godless rebellious stances as to say a man and a man are married trying to explain their reasoning to the most high God when they stand before him to Give account of their words and life .
i pity the argument of the wicked .they are as a man drowning in the sea offering clever arguments as to why they need not take the hand which offers to pull them into a boat .their intellect and wisdom though articulated ever so well remain foolishness as they are dragged to the deep .

im putting this next bit in bold as i desire to make the very public point .

i only hope this forum does not move in the direction of allowing the godless to come here and ,by virtue of their open disagreeing with the scriptures, turn the place into an indirect promotion of rebellion against God . (which is what i openly protested about in said "other forum" . -sadly got banned for it though it was not intentional)

imo even saying "i disagree with what God says ..i disagree with the bible " .. and saying it in such a way which sounds as if they are doing something fine by disagreeing -is actually a promotion of utter wickedness and should not be allowed here .
because i have chatted and conversed on many a forum some as nasty as you can imagine .. and i sought out a christian based forum for the sole reason of desiring to discuss and converse about godliness with godly people . if this forum opens up to the influx of humanists and atheists ..then it will not be a "HAVEN" anymore.. and in this vile world of the internet .. havens are VERY RARE ..

 

[Alithis]

sorry .. back on topic again..

we really should leave off judging the gays and sort ourselves out first

and bigot ......

bigot
ˈbɪɡət/
noun
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

in light of its bible context ,is being a bigot solely on the holy scriptures such a bad thing .. if i agree with GOD and wont tolerate an opinion that refuses to agree with God ..is that such a bad thing ? i think not .

I can be bigoted in my agreeing with God and still completely love feed clothe help the widow and the orphan without needing to compromise my opinions in agreement with God .
like aiding the syrian refugees and ALL refugees even though their religious stance is in absolute opposition to God most High .. -one does not effect the other . LOve see past it all

 

[MarkFL]

...if this forum opens up to the influx of humanists and atheists ..then it will not be a "HAVEN" anymore.. and in this vile world of the internet .. havens are VERY RARE ..

Let me assure you we will do our best to make certain that in the areas labeled as "Christian Only" promotion of any ideologies other than Christian will not be tolerated.

 

[psalms 91]

Let me assure you we will do our best to make certain that in the areas labeled as "Christian Only" promotion of any ideologies other than Christian will not be tolerated.

As it should be

 

[king of the unknown]

In another forum, out of a desire to uphold traditional Christian marriage and the meaning of marriage as a union between one man and one woman in the sight of God and with God's blessing, a new set of rules was proposed which amounted to saying to same sex people who are legally married that they cannot use 'married' as their marital status. I objected to the proposed rule reasoning that I will not allow bible verses or the official pronouncements of my Church or the rules of the forum to turn me into a bigot. In brief, in a slogan like phrase, I will not willingly become Jerk for God or Bigoted for God. Will you let the things you do, how you do them, and who you to them to become mistreatment of another human being - made in the image of God - because there's a bible verse (or many verses) that condemn certain sins?

This is the internet age, it doesn't matter what you do someone will be offended.

Me personally I feel that many people turn the whole gay marriage into demon possession. Yes sex between man/man and woman/woman is wrong but so is lying, cheating, stealing and gossiping. Sin is sin there isn't a hierarchy of sin. Sin separates us from God period. We often forget people who are "homosexual" are a lot more then that. The homosexual part of there life is only a small piece and if it isn't that is a problem in itself.

 

[Brighten04]

Marriage imho is Holy Matrimony. So, it really is not supposed to be part of the State, but of our religious institutions. Satan wants to defile all that God calls Holy. He wants to corrupt God's way, just as he did in the days of Noah and Lot. It is against the tactics of satan that I protest.

 

[psalms 91]

This is the internet age, it doesn't matter what you do someone will be offended.

Me personally I feel that many people turn the whole gay marriage into demon possession. Yes sex between man/man and woman/woman is wrong but so is lying, cheating, stealing and gossiping. Sin is sin there isn't a hierarchy of sin. Sin separates us from God period. We often forget people who are "homosexual" are a lot more then that. The homosexual part of there life is only a small piece and if it isn't that is a problem in itself.

The difference is that this is being legislated as legal and thus ok, it is not nor should it be. They not only want us to have to do it but accept and like it as well, never going to happen so they might as well get over themselves.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Let me assure you we will do our best to make certain that in the areas labeled as "Christian Only" promotion of any ideologies other than Christian will not be tolerated.

There are only a small number of issues in theology in which one can find universal consensus amongst christians. There are christians who teach and believe things that are unique to their denomination or family of denominations and there are some groups who teach things with which many others disagree. A definition of Marriage is one of those areas.

But I think it is important to make it clear to all participating in this thread that this thread is not intended to be a debate about what marriage is or is not. My own view on the matter of defining marriage is that holy scripture and holy tradition as well as the teaching of my church is that marriage is the union between one man and one woman in the sight of God and with God's blessing. I concur with my Church's teaching because it is both scriptural and because it is what the words "marriage" and "married" have meant in nearly every culture for thousands of years.

What this thread is about is three fold

1. What will you do?
2. how will you do it?
3. and who will you do it to?

The core issue in this thread is how we behave towards other people (especially towards people with whom we disagree) and what we will do to them.

 

[Lamb]

The core issue in this thread is how we behave towards other people (especially towards people with whom we disagree) and what we will do to them.

Well....you did call some people jerks. :bolt: That might not have been a good beginning to the thread?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Well....you did call some people jerks. :bolt: That might not have been a good beginning to the thread?

I called no one a jerk. Let me show what I wrote to you again, see if you can see anybody being called a jerk.

In another forum, out of a desire to uphold traditional Christian marriage and the meaning of marriage as a union between one man and one woman in the sight of God and with God's blessing, a new set of rules was proposed which amounted to saying to same sex people who are legally married that they cannot use 'married' as their marital status. I objected to the proposed rule reasoning that I will not allow bible verses or the official pronouncements of my Church or the rules of the forum to turn me into a bigot. In brief, in a slogan like phrase, I will not willingly become Jerk for God or Bigoted for God. Will you let the things you do, how you do them, and who you to them to become mistreatment of another human being - made in the image of God - because there's a bible verse (or many verses) that condemn certain sins?

 

[popsthebuilder]

I think the bible can only lead one to be cruel or mean if they take things out of context, or wholly misinterpret them. It plainly states to be compassionate and to love your brother and show kindness towards your enemies.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

 

[MoreCoffee]

I think the bible can only lead one to be cruel or mean if they take things out of context, or wholly misinterpret them. It plainly states to be compassionate and to love your brother and show kindness towards your enemies.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

I too think that the bible can lead some to act with cruelty and/or injustice. The main point of holy scripture is to instruct whoever hears it (or reads it); that is one of the reasons that saint Paul wrote that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.". Holy scripture is not a law to be imposed on people regardless of their religious views. It is instruction in righteousness for those who have faith and are willing to allow holy scripture to shape their conscience and inform their lives. If one tries to make the scriptures into the law of the land or the rules of a chat forum it seems to me that inevitably somebody will treat somebody else badly on the pretext that the bible told them to.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I too think that the bible can lead some to act with cruelty and/or injustice. The main point of holy scripture is to instruct whoever hears it (or reads it); that is one of the reasons that saint Paul wrote that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.". Holy scripture is not a law to be imposed on people regardless of their religious views. It is instruction in righteousness for those who have faith and are willing to allow holy scripture to shape their conscience and inform their lives. If one tries to make the scriptures into the law of the land or the rules of a chat forum it seems to me that inevitably somebody will treat somebody else badly on the pretext that the bible told them to.

I am sorry for your experiences. You know we will be ridiculed and looked down upon.

I still find comfort I. your daily posts. You may think they are random in some way but know that they are wholly welcome and very revealing to me personally. Any that look down on you for your religion are not practicing what they preach so try not to put too much stock into it. Thank you sincerely for your contributions to my faith directly regardless of your intentions in posting them. Have a good night Sir.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

 

[MoreCoffee]

I am sorry for your experiences. You know we will be ridiculed and looked down upon.

I still find comfort I. your daily posts. You may think they are random in some way but know that they are wholly welcome and very revealing to me personally. Any that look down on you for your religion are not practicing what they preach so try not to put too much stock into it. Thank you sincerely for your contributions to my faith directly regardless of your intentions in posting them. Have a good night Sir.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

I am sorry, I do not quite see what anything I have written has to do with my experiences, especially anything that requires condolences - for which I am thankful but about which I am quite baffled.

As for folk in a chat forum, such as this, looking down on me because of my religion I want to assure you that nobody can look down on me with any significant effect unless I allow them to and I choose not to allow such attitudes (when they are expressed) to affect me or to damage me. I know that in a chat forum some choose to attack and to make negative personal reflections but such is the risk we all take when we participate here and elsewhere and the risk is very slight when one stops to think that what people say in safe-anonymity from their phone, computer, or tablet is not going to have any significant impact on those to whom it is said either in this life or the next.

I thank you for your good wishes and return a similar wish for your continued happiness and blessings.

 

[Alithis]

I think the bible can only lead one to be cruel or mean if they take things out of context, or wholly misinterpret them. It plainly states to be compassionate and to love your brother and show kindness towards your enemies.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

yes it could lead to putting people in prison and even putting them to death in the name of the church .. hmmm

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was that passive aggressive or aggressive passive ? ..lol

 

[seekingsolace]

I too think that the bible can lead some to act with cruelty and/or injustice. The main point of holy scripture is to instruct whoever hears it (or reads it); that is one of the reasons that saint Paul wrote that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.". Holy scripture is not a law to be imposed on people regardless of their religious views. It is instruction in righteousness for those who have faith and are willing to allow holy scripture to shape their conscience and inform their lives. If one tries to make the scriptures into the law of the land or the rules of a chat forum it seems to me that inevitably somebody will treat somebody else badly on the pretext that the bible told them to.

We are in agreement on those who use Scripture to justify being cruel. Though I am wary of saying the Bible is what leads them to such acts. This is an individual problem, and we know ideology and prejudice is shaped by many factors. People will always treat others unfairly or cruelly, that's the downside of living in a fallen world. We cannot let the evil of some taint our view of the rest. Of course we have those who spew vitriol while themselves leading lives of iniquity; not hard to spot a hypocrite - don't let those hinder the unshakable truth that all true followers should know.

We are urged as Christians to instruct, reprove and help others. And I do believe as Christians it is imperative we keep to the Word of God. This being said, I do not force my beliefs on unbelievers, but will certainly voice to fellow brothers and sisters (in Christ) if in error. it is our responsibility to never condone sin, and letting a brother believe they are not sinning, is very dangerous ground.

The Bible never tells a believer to treat another unfairly, cruelly or with partiality. What it does tell us is to follow in faith: spreading the Gospel of Salvation, and adhering to the Word in all facets of life. In my thoughts and actions, at the fore always is how I will answer to God.

I can easily condemn actions of a brother and love them all the same. God is testament enough to this. Any obstacles we face in this world are of the devil. How we handle them is important - remembering always, we answer to God not the world.

 

[seekingsolace]

I called no one a jerk. Let me show what I wrote to you again, see if you can see anybody being called a jerk.

You have to admit, there can be an insinuation of it. May not be intentional, but people will quickly become defensive. Or as we have seen with some, aggressive =/