Stravinsk
Composer and Artist on Flat Earth
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It should be crystal clear when reading the Gospels (specifically, Matthew and John), that Christ had harsh words and criticism for those who were plotting to murder Him. Although He predicted His death at their hands, nevertheless he had no kind words for their plots and their actions.
A critical example is Judas Iscariot. When he takes the bread dipped in the dish, Scriptures say that Satan entered him. Did this man crucify Christ? No, he was merely paid money - 30 silver peices - to betray him to those that would order it.
Of the disciples, Christ says this:
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
At the time of speaking, the only lost one among the disciples is Judas Iscariot. Again, this Judas does not command the death of Christ, he doesn't nail him to a cross, he merely accepts money to have him captured.
Christians often have a dim view of Judas, and an even dimmer view of the Jewish leadership who rallied for His death. The Romans? Servants of these Jewish leaders for fear of the people it seems.
My simple question is:
If you are a Christian who believes you are saved through the murder of Jesus and the Resurrection, why would you have a dim view of any of these parties? You are, after all, agreeing that it had to happen. You are agreeing that murdering the Messiah was necessary so you can get to heaven. Sure, by proxy of some people that lived a long time ago, but nevertheless you are agreeing with murder.
And yet, Christ doesn't. He says it's going to happen. He predicts it. But He also condemns it as evil.
Can you also condemn it, seeing as you see it as necessary for your salvation?
Can you admit that your doublemindedness only applies here, and not to other murders and murderers you come across? You come across evil people in life or hear about them somehow, and you in no wise agree with their murdering actions. However this agreement is simply not possible if you are saved through their actions.
A critical example is Judas Iscariot. When he takes the bread dipped in the dish, Scriptures say that Satan entered him. Did this man crucify Christ? No, he was merely paid money - 30 silver peices - to betray him to those that would order it.
Of the disciples, Christ says this:
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
At the time of speaking, the only lost one among the disciples is Judas Iscariot. Again, this Judas does not command the death of Christ, he doesn't nail him to a cross, he merely accepts money to have him captured.
Christians often have a dim view of Judas, and an even dimmer view of the Jewish leadership who rallied for His death. The Romans? Servants of these Jewish leaders for fear of the people it seems.
My simple question is:
If you are a Christian who believes you are saved through the murder of Jesus and the Resurrection, why would you have a dim view of any of these parties? You are, after all, agreeing that it had to happen. You are agreeing that murdering the Messiah was necessary so you can get to heaven. Sure, by proxy of some people that lived a long time ago, but nevertheless you are agreeing with murder.
And yet, Christ doesn't. He says it's going to happen. He predicts it. But He also condemns it as evil.
Can you also condemn it, seeing as you see it as necessary for your salvation?
Can you admit that your doublemindedness only applies here, and not to other murders and murderers you come across? You come across evil people in life or hear about them somehow, and you in no wise agree with their murdering actions. However this agreement is simply not possible if you are saved through their actions.
