Work Out Salvation

[atpollard]

I just wonder why its necessary to start another thread about the same thing the last half dozen have been about?
I've said about half a dozen times also that God's Sovereignty and free will are both in the Bible and both apply. That's all I'm saying about this.

I can’t argue with that.
I just thought after 19 posts Someone should post the actual verse that says “work out your salvation” and it should be read in context.

 

[Lamb]

I can’t argue with that.
I just thought after 19 posts Someone should post the actual verse that says “work out your salvation” and it should be read in context.

You were good to post the context surrounding the phrase.

Our salvation is based upon Jesus. Not us. Every Christian should agree.

 

[Josiah]

Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Please notice WORK OUT and SALVATION, now what could this mean? I mean after all it is being argued that we contribute nothing so I guess these words must not mean what they say, right?

This was written to CHRISTIANS who already had faith in their hearts. But a central theme of Scripture is that it is not to be hoarded there, the gifts God has placed into our heart are to be worked out into our lives, reflected rather than hoarded; a central theme of the Bible is that we are to be givers not takers. The Great Commandment is that Christians are to love as they have first been loved. It is the essence of Sanctification.



- Josiah




.

 

[psalms 91]

It also means that we are commanded to do certain things and in a couple of places talks of losing salvation. I will not cover it again as this has been argued and talked to death but it is there for those who care to listen

 

[Lamb]

It also means that we are commanded to do certain things and in a couple of places talks of losing salvation. I will not cover it again as this has been argued and talked to death but it is there for those who care to listen

Are you implying that if YOU don't do "certain things" that you will lose salvation?

 

[psalms 91]

Are you implying that if YOU don't do "certain things" that you will lose salvation?

I am saying that the bible makes it clear especially in Hebrews 6 that this is a possibility, also where it talks of certain sins never entering heaven, about as clear as can be

 

[Lamb]

I am saying that the bible makes it clear especially in Hebrews 6 that this is a possibility, also where it talks of certain sins never entering heaven, about as clear as can be

Do you believe Jesus died at the cross for all YOUR sins?

 

[Lamb]

Hebrews 6 actually gives us the certainty that is only found in Christ...not in ourselves:

Hebrews 6:16-20People swear by someone greater than themselves, and the oath confirms what is said and puts an end to all argument. 17 Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath. 18 God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged. 19 We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, 20 where our forerunner, Jesus, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes but says nothing about keeping salvation forever no matter what however earlier in that chapter it does speak to that

 

[Josiah]

Yes but says nothing about keeping salvation forever no matter what however earlier in that chapter it does speak to that

Friend, OSAS is NOT taught or believed by ANY Christians (Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant or otherwise) EXCEPT for a few hyper-Calvinists. It is just inappropriate to keep countering every Christian with a point only a tiny, tiny minority believe (and that doesn't include Lamm).

Friend, OSAS is not the issue of this thread.

 

[MennoSota]

Yes and other times it became somone else as when Moses said he couldnt speak

Was Moses already chosen when he said he couldn't speak, or was that before God chose him?
Second, Moses was not being offered salvation by God. Salvation for Moses was not his to choose. God either saves or he doesn't. It is a decision for God and God alone.

 

[MennoSota]

I just wonder why its necessary to start another thread about the same thing the last half dozen have been about?

I've said about half a dozen times also that God's Sovereignty and free will are both in the Bible and both apply. That's all I'm saying about this.

I have yet to find free-will in the Bible. I have read many English translations and none of them speak of free-will. I do find sovereign quite often. Ezekiel is filled with declaring God as Sovereign.
Being honest you must admit that free-will is a concept built from arranging specific verses in such a way that humans are lifted up and God is made a consultant.

 

[MennoSota]

I am saying that the bible makes it clear especially in Hebrews 6 that this is a possibility, also where it talks of certain sins never entering heaven, about as clear as can be

You mis-read Hebrews 6 by tossing out the context of the letter to the Hebrews. Context is important.

 

[psalms 91]

Pretty hard to misinterpret those who once tasted the gift, that is talking about people who are saved

 

[psalms 91]

Was Moses already chosen when he said he couldn't speak, or was that before God chose him?
Second, Moses was not being offered salvation by God. Salvation for Moses was not his to choose. God either saves or he doesn't. It is a decision for God and God alone.

I thought the subject for my answer was being chosen or called and answering, didnt think salvation was the question in that instance

 

[psalms 91]

Friend, OSAS is NOT taught or believed by ANY Christians (Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant or otherwise) EXCEPT for a few hyper-Calvinists. It is just inappropriate to keep countering every Christian with a point only a tiny, tiny minority believe (and that doesn't include Lamm).

Friend, OSAS is not the issue of this thread.

I am really getting tired of being told my posts are not on subject. Please read Lamms post and tell me that if it is all God what other conclusion you would arrive at. I will continue to answer posts as I think appropriate and hopefully not everyone will see them as off topic because that gets old. I could just quit posting and leave you to it

 

[Lamb]

I am really getting tired of being told my posts are not on subject. Please read Lamms post and tell me that if it is all God what other conclusion you would arrive at. I will continue to answer posts as I think appropriate and hopefully not everyone will see them as off topic because that gets old. I could just quit posting and leave you to it

Well salvation IS all God's work. Jesus' work on the cross is sufficient for your salvation. If you turn away from God and reject Him then that is your fault. That is the difference between Gospel and Law. God will never take His promises away from you such as the forgiveness won at the cross. If you turn away though, then that is rejecting that forgiveness and you damn yourself.

Our working out salvation isn't working for something Jesus already worked for.

 

[Josiah]

Well salvation IS all God's work. Jesus' work on the cross is sufficient for your salvation. If you turn away from God and reject Him then that is your fault. That is the difference between Gospel and Law. God will never take His promises away from you such as the forgiveness won at the cross. If you turn away though, then that is rejecting that forgiveness and you damn yourself.

Our working out salvation isn't working for something Jesus already worked for.

Correct. The verse was written to CHRISTIANS who already had justification. Paul is calling for Sanctification - for that faith to be expressed outwardly in our lives, not hoarded in our hearts.

Correct. While too simple, basically the Gospel says God will never let go of our hand....the Law says never to let go of God's hand.

 

[pinacled]

Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Please notice WORK OUT and SALVATION, now what could this mean? I mean after all it is being argued that we contribute nothing so I guess these words must not mean what they say, right?

Courage in the Lord of host

How many here have heard of enoch, moses, jonah, elijah and others?