Passive Righteousness

[Lamb]

Thats fine....but I am speaking of those rather ignorant of GOD and too speaking of turning to GOD in hope.

So can one turn to and or hope on the Lord prior to receiving faith that saves?

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Look again at those verses I shared. Do any of those who are unbelievers sound like they would turn to God? Only by faith (which is a gift given to us by God) can we turn to Him in hope. Without faith there is no hope.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Did God force Adam to breathe?

Did GOD know Adam would go against HIS wishes, seeing as how GOD is all knowing and too, that Adam was formed by GOD alone?

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[popsthebuilder]

Look again at those verses I shared. Do any of those who are unbelievers sound like they would turn to God? Only by faith (which is a gift given to us by God) can we turn to Him in hope. Without faith there is no hope.

Again; those verses seem to be about the knowing hypocrite and not the ignorant.

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[Lamb]

Again; those verses seem to be about the knowing hypocrite and not the ignorant.

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The ignorant are in the dark. One of those verses talked about the dark.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Is it valid to think that one has a change of heart prior to the gift of salvation. Why or why not please using scriptural reference please.

I ask you because I value your knowledged opinion. That in no way that I don't want anyone else's opinion on the matter.

Thanks,

peace

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[popsthebuilder]

The ignorant are in the dark. One of those verses talked about the dark.

The ignorant are seen as not nearly as responsible for their actions as opposed to those who know the Truth and turn from it in favor of doing, clinging to what they love over GOD.

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[Lamb]

John 6:65 Then Jesus said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless the Father has granted it to him."

 

[Lamb]

The ignorant are seen as not nearly as responsible for their actions as opposed to those who know the Truth and turn from it in favor of doing, clinging to what they love over GOD.

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Repentance isn't just about our actions though and feeling sorry for what we have done and trying to do the right thing after that. Repentance is getting right with God by faith. The ignorant can't do that. They have no hope in God because no one comes to the Father unless it is granted to him.

 

[Lamb]

When God looks at what we do...He sees the believer as He sees His Son because we have FAITH. The unbeliever has no faith so the unbeliever is judged on the works he has done and they will always be dirty menstrual rags because there is no faith when they were being worked. All we can bring to the table is our sin which is in the OP. The ignorant, all they have is their sin. The believers, we have Christ's righteousness given to us by God's grace through faith.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Repentance isn't just about our actions though and feeling sorry for what we have done and trying to do the right thing after that. Repentance is getting right with God by faith. The ignorant can't do that. They have no hope in God because no one comes to the Father unless it is granted to him.

But how can you say that said individual isn't supposed to be within the flock of the Shepherd? Can you determine who will enter in better than GOD?

if faith comes by hearing and one had heard of CHRIST, and called on Christ prior to real faith in CHRIST, is that not hearing and believing to some extent?

How can you justify your claim that the ignorant cannot hope on the Lord just because they are ignorant of their personal relationship with the Comforter and Help in peril?

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[popsthebuilder]

When God looks at what we do...He sees the believer as He sees His Son because we have FAITH. The unbeliever has no faith so the unbeliever is judged on the works he has done and they will always be dirty menstrual rags because there is no faith when they were being worked. All we can bring to the table is our sin which is in the OP. The ignorant, all they have is their sin. The believers, we have Christ's righteousness given to us by God's grace through faith.

All will be judged by Christ.

All

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[Lamb]

All will be judged by Christ.

All

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Yes, and at my judgment I'm covered by faith because of Jesus' death on the cross. My works are viewed through the lens of HIS PERFECTION and HIS perfect obedience.

 

[Lamb]

But how can you say that said individual isn't supposed to be within the flock of the Shepherd? Can you determine who will enter in better than GOD?

if faith comes by hearing and one had heard of CHRIST, and called on Christ prior to real faith in CHRIST, is that not hearing and believing to some extent?

How can you justify your claim that the ignorant cannot hope on the Lord just because they are ignorant of their personal relationship with the Comforter and Help in peril?

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God uses His Word and specifically the Gospel message to give faith. He does so according to His will and His timing. No one comes to the Father unless God first grants that to them by faith. You're repeating the verses but aren't grasping what they mean.

 

[popsthebuilder]

God uses His Word and specifically the Gospel message to give faith. He does so according to His will and His timing. No one comes to the Father unless God first grants that to them by faith. You're repeating the verses but aren't grasping what they mean.

I'm actually speaking about personal experience.

According to your surmise; I actually had faith while an agnostic/ atheist.



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[Lamb]

I'm actually speaking about personal experience.

According to your surmise; I actually had faith while and agnostic/ atheist.



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EXACTLY!! If you were showing interest in the Savior you had faith! Even if you were doubting but still showed an interest...God gave you faith to pursue! Isn't He wonderful?

 

[popsthebuilder]

EXACTLY!! If you were showing interest in the Savior you had faith! Even if you were doubting but still showed an interest...God gave you faith to pursue! Isn't He wonderful?

Wonderful beyond adaquite description on my part surely.

I'm glad we concluded such.

peace

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[user1234]

Repentance is to turn from/ stop.

Q. Ahhh, but turn from/stop WHAT?
A. Turn from UNBELIEF...to BELIEVING.

AND to turn TO God. You just can't end it at turning away from sin. True repentance is the turning to God by faith.

For SALVATION it's not even 'repent of SIN' , that is, sins, sinning, like thou shalt not...(Dont drink, Dont smoke, Dont whatever...)

It's turn from the sin of unbelief, to belief.
Turn from self or works-righteousness...dead works, and, like you said, turn TO Jesus and be saved.

The 'turning from sins' should follow, some immediate for some ... Some may take longer or be a real struggle, but that is part of the sanctification.
For salvation, though, it's not 'repent from sins' , it's believe in Jesus.

 

[Lamb]

The faith you had may have been tiny...I mean, look at what the faith the size of a mustard seed could do so imagine that inkling of faith God gave to you so that He could draw you closer to Him? Truly a dust of dirt size or even molecular?

 

[psalms 91]

Q. Ahhh, but turn from/stop WHAT?
A. Turn from UNBELIEF...to BELIEVING.


For SALVATION it's not even 'repent of SIN' , that is, sins, sinning, like thou shalt not...(Dont drink, Dont smoke, Dont whatever...)

It's turn from the sin of unbelief, to belief.
Turn from self or works-righteousness...dead works, and, like you said, turn TO Jesus and be saved.

The 'turning from sins' should follow, some immediate for some ... Some may take longer or be a real struggle, but that is part of the sanctification.
For salvation, though, it's not 'repent from sins' , it's believe in Jesus.

Romans 10:9-10

 

[popsthebuilder]

Q. Ahhh, but turn from/stop WHAT?
A. Turn from UNBELIEF...to BELIEVING.


For SALVATION it's not even 'repent of SIN' , that is, sins, sinning, like thou shalt not...(Dont drink, Dont smoke, Dont whatever...)

It's turn from the sin of unbelief, to belief.
Turn from self or works-righteousness...dead works, and, like you said, turn TO Jesus and be saved.

The 'turning from sins' should follow, some immediate for some ... Some may take longer or be a real struggle, but that is part of the sanctification.
For salvation, though, it's not 'repent from sins' , it's believe in Jesus.

If one believes then they live according to believe, which would include turning from sin as well.

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