Work Out Salvation

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Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Please notice WORK OUT and SALVATION, now what could this mean? I mean after all it is being argued that we contribute nothing so I guess these words must not mean what they say, right?
 

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Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Please notice WORK OUT and SALVATION, now what could this mean? I mean after all it is being argued that we contribute nothing so I guess these words must not mean what they say, right?

Maybe it's one of those new-style tests where everybody gets a participation trophy?
 

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Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Please notice WORK OUT and SALVATION, now what could this mean? I mean after all it is being argued that we contribute nothing so I guess these words must not mean what they say, right?

Well it absolutely doesn't mean "work FOR" your salvation since Christ did that work for you. It means remain in the faith.
 

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Well it absolutely doesn't mean "work FOR" your salvation since Christ did that work for you. It means remain in the faith.
But according to you that is also given and we have to do nothing so does it? And the words dont mean what they actually say?
 

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But according to you that is also given and we have to do nothing so does it? And the words dont mean what they actually say?

Faith is given and strengthened by God. I remain in faith because God keeps me there. He uses His Word and Sacrament. It's not like I can say, "Oh, I'll gain more faith this Sunday by taking communion and get myself up a little higher on the faith scale." I pray that when God's word is given to me that He'll grow my faith. Not because I did anything though. It's all His will.
 

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Yet the bible says that by reading His word we grow in faith, interesting,also by hearing
 

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Yet the bible says that by reading His word we grow in faith, interesting,also by hearing

I know people who read the bible every day and still aren't very strong in faith but confused and scared so it's not because our doing that makes it so. It's still according to God's good will if He is ready to strengthen our faith.
 

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Faith not exercised by use will wither and fade, also faith used and fed with the word will grow. For those confused by it I would suggest prayer and meditation and let God show you also get in some good bible studies
 

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Faith not exercised by use will wither and fade, also faith used and fed with the word will grow. For those confused by it I would suggest prayer and meditation and let God show you also get in some good bible studies

Do you think God will let you starve? Don't you see Him working in your life to keep drawing you close to Him?
 

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Because though we are saved by God’s unconditional electing grace2 through the gift of faith, the works we do prove that our faith is real. 3 Works are evidence of election.

That’s why on one hand Jesus says, “No one can come to me unless the Father. . . draws him”4 (election), and on the other hand he says, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments5 (evidence of election). He ties both together when he says, “My sheep hear my voice (election) and I know them, and they follow me”6 (evidence).

Why God ordered it this way is seen in some of Jesus’ parables. He says that when the gospel net is cast into the sea of the world, it “gather fish of every kind,”7 some righteous and some evil. The visible church is always a mixed catch, or always has weeds among the wheat,8 or always has goats among the sheep.9 *What distinguishes the elect from others is that their God-given faith is demonstrated by their God-dependent works.10 Faith works through love.11

Words are cheap. Jesus said, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”12

Our works are not decisive in our salvation. They are evidence of God’s saving work in us. And that is why we must “be all the more diligent to make [our] calling and election sure” 13 by working out our own salvation with fear and trembling.

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1 Ephesians 2:8-9

2 Ephesians 1:4; 2:5

3 James 2:18

4 John 6:44

5 John 14:15

6 John 10:27

7 Matthew 13:47

8 Matthew 13:24-30

9 Matthew 25:31-46

10 James 2:14-26

11 Galatians 5:6

12 Matthew 7:21

13 2 Peter 1:10
https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/why-must-we-work-out-our-salvation
 

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Do you think God will let you starve? Don't you see Him working in your life to keep drawing you close to Him?
Of course but still my choice whether to heed it or not
 

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Of course but still my choice whether to heed it or not

In sanctification (not justification) we do cooperate with the Holy Spirit, but don't you think that He will often get His way instead of yours? I remember Jonah trying to avoid doing what God wanted.
 

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Yes and other times it became somone else as when Moses said he couldnt speak
 

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Yes and other times it became somone else as when Moses said he couldnt speak

And all that is fine that God is working in us to strengthen our faith...but it's not the amount of faith for salvation but just that we have it. Of course a Christian wants more faith because that's who we are. We are saved by grace through faith and this not of ourselves. Working out our salvation isn't us changing what God already has given us...the Savior. You either have a Savior or you don't.
 

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Lol when I was just saved I always imagined God standing there w a hygrometer. My mom had that for the plants.
And then I'd imagine Him looking on that faith meter.
Ah too bad. Just not enough faith. Try harder.
What a horrible church that was. If an elder was sick he wouldnt tell anyone else theyd think he didnt have enough faith.
 

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Lol when I was just saved I always imagined God standing there w a hygrometer. My mom had that for the plants.
And then I'd imagine Him looking on that faith meter.
Ah too bad. Just not enough faith. Try harder.
What a horrible church that was. If an elder was sick he wouldnt tell anyone else theyd think he didnt have enough faith.

That is horrible! God isn't judging us by the amount of faith we have or don't have. HE is the one who gives us faith and strengthens it according to His own will. He wants us to have faith in the Savior and we are told to pray for more but He isn't putting us in different class levels in heaven for faith is He? LOL
 

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That is horrible! God isn't judging us by the amount of faith we have or don't have. HE is the one who gives us faith and strengthens it according to His own will. He wants us to have faith in the Savior and we are told to pray for more but He isn't putting us in different class levels in heaven for faith is He? LOL

Yes it was horrible. It made from trusting Him your own work: producing faith.
 

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Yes it was horrible. It made from trusting Him your own work: producing faith.

We can't give ourselves faith for healing...we can't even give ourselves faith for salvation anymore than we can give ourselves a breath that gives us life. If God calls someone home to him through death then that was His will and not because the man didn't have enough faith. We don't always know God's plan or will.

Working out our salvation is about our eagerness to live a godly life now that God has brought us from the Old man to the New because of Jesus Christ. Working out our salvation means we GET to live our lives in freedom :)
 

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Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Please notice WORK OUT and SALVATION, now what could this mean? I mean after all it is being argued that we contribute nothing so I guess these words must not mean what they say, right?

Context is everything:

Philippians 2:1-14 NASB
1 Therefore if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and compassion, 2 make my joy complete by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose. 3 Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves; 4 do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others. 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
12 So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.


Does that really sound like it is telling anyone to earn their salvation with hard work?
Does it sound like a warning that God is watching and waiting for an excuse to withdraw his grace if you don’t do enough good?

It sounds to me like a caution not to walk away from your first love and prove that you did not belong (1 John 2:19).
 

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I just wonder why its necessary to start another thread about the same thing the last half dozen have been about?

I've said about half a dozen times also that God's Sovereignty and free will are both in the Bible and both apply. That's all I'm saying about this.
 
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