Little white lies here and there? Sin?

[tango]

Buck up young one. No one listened to the prophets. Just share truth and let the chips fall where they may.

Maybe if Isaiah could only have condensed 66 chapters into three sentences people would have listened more?

 

[psalms 91]

Maybe if Isaiah could only have condensed 66 chapters into three sentences people would have listened more?

Nah he needed to tickle their ears, they would have went to hell but they would have listened

 

[Andrew]

Maybe if Isaiah could only have condensed 66 chapters into three sentences people would have listened more?

I think each post should have a short summery at the end for Menno. Like so...

[I think each post should have a short summery at the end for Menno.]

See, the "like so..." might have been a wee too long for his short attention span.
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[MennoSota]

Maybe if Isaiah could only have condensed 66 chapters into three sentences people would have listened more?

If he could have written on a website discussion board in small bites...

 

[popsthebuilder]

Judged by God the Father. Not condemned by Christ's substitutional atonement. "There is NOW therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."
Revelation 20:11-15
[11]And I saw a great white throne and the one sitting on it. The earth and sky fled from his presence, but they found no place to hide.
[12]I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books.
[13]The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds.
[14]Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death.
[15]And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.

So are you agreeing that we will all be judged by GOD?

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[MennoSota]

So are you agreeing that we will all be judged by GOD?

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Yes.
Those who are elect and redeemed by the substitutionary work of Christ will go on to eternal life in Christ. Those whose sins are not atoned for nor are they found in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire.
In both cases, God, the perfect Judge, will justly decide the verdict. We who are elect will have our mediator, Jesus, arguing our case.

 

[Andrew]

Yes.
Those who are elect and redeemed by the substitutionary work of Christ will go on to eternal life in Christ. Those whose sins are not atoned for nor are they found in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire.
In both cases, God, the perfect Judge, will justly decide the verdict. We who are elect will have our mediator, Jesus, arguing our case.

Does that imply that God may have mercy on some unbelievers? Without the Christ to argue their case? If not then what about those who have never heard of Jesus like in North Korea for instance or those remote islands that the world is forbidden to interfere with? Im just questioning in the ether not directed to you in general...
What does "found in the book of Life" mean exactly?

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[MennoSota]

Does that imply that God may have mercy on some unbelievers? Without the Christ to argue their case? If not then what about those who have never heard of Jesus like in North Korea for instance or those remote islands that the world is forbidden to interfere with? Im just questioning in the ether not directed to you in general...
What does "found in the book of Life" mean exactly?

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Ephesians 1 says that the elect were chosen before the foundation of the world. The book of life holds those names. No matter where a human may live, if God has written their name in His book, they will be brought to saving faith in Christ. (There are Christians in North Korea.)
Mercy and grace is not extended to those who are not found in the book of Life. God is not obligated to save even one person, let alone all the names He has written in His book of Life. This is why grace is so utterly amazing.

 

[Andrew]

Ephesians 1 says that the elect were chosen before the foundation of the world. The book of life holds those names. No matter where a human may live, if God has written their name in His book, they will be brought to saving faith in Christ. (There are Christians in North Korea.)
Mercy and grace is not extended to those who are not found in the book of Life. God is not obligated to save even one person, let alone all the names He has written in His book of Life. This is why grace is so utterly amazing.

Good answer I like it.
So what about the others not written nor have heard the word, they are predestined for hell?
I don't know what hell is and do not wish to find out, perhaps hell is a reincarnation loop into this world until the second death or something I just don't see how a little kid on a remote island who gets eaten by a tiger or something is doomed to suffer eternal hell, better enjoy this little dot of life because you are going to hell is something im just not too comforted in knowing. It cannot be true and I have fought with this emotion my whole life, Buddhist believe that people like that are being punished for something they did in a former life but I dont agree with that either. Not trying to argue with God but there is no convincing me that a 12 year old child being raised by atheist who gets ran over by a car is going to hell. Or an old man who has never heard the word but has been faithful spiritually to his understanding of God (to the best of his ability) but have never heard of a Christian will burn in eternal hellfire. We will all be judged correct? So why even judge them anyway? Just throw all the unbelievers straight to hell, why do they need to stand before the great white throne of God if God knows that they never knew him or his Son?

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[MennoSota]

Good answer I like it.
So what about the others not written nor have heard the word, they are predestined for hell?
I don't know what hell is and do not wish to find out, perhaps hell is a reincarnation loop into this world until the second death or something I just don't see how a little kid on a remote island who gets eaten by a tiger or something is doomed to suffer eternal hell, better enjoy this little dot of life because you are going to hell is something im just not too comforted in knowing. It cannot be true and I have fought with this emotion my whole life, Buddhist believe that people like that are being punished for something they did in a former life but I dont agree with that either. Not trying to argue with God but there is no convincing me that a 12 year old child being raised by atheist who gets ran over by a car is going to hell. Or an old man who has never heard the word but has been faithful spiritually to his understanding of God (to the best of his ability) but have never heard of a Christian will burn in eternal hellfire. We will all be judged correct? So why even judge them anyway? Just throw all the unbelievers straight to hell, why do they need to stand before the great white throne of God if God knows that they never knew him or his Son?

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All humanities sinfulness was established in Adams sin. There is not one human who has ever been born (other than Jesus) who is not tainted by that fallen act of rebellion. As a just Creator and judge, God was not obligated to show mercy or grace to humanity. Yet...God chooses to be gracious to some...without ever giving us a reason for his choice. It is just what it is. He is extremely kind though we don't merit his kindness.
All humans, because of the fall were predestined to hell...but God chose to pardon some for no explainable reason.
God then commissions those whom he saves to tell the entire world about his reconciliation through Jesus sacrificial death. Those who respond by faith are those whom God had written their names down before time began. Are all the others predestined to death? That is a debate. My position is that sin predestined us and God chose to pluck some out and predestine some to salvation. Read Romans 8 and 9 as well as Ephesians 1 as the basis for this view.
(My apologies for the long post.)

 

[Andrew]

All humanities sinfulness was established in Adams sin. There is not one human who has ever been born (other than Jesus) who is not tainted by that fallen act of rebellion. As a just Creator and judge, God was not obligated to show mercy or grace to humanity. Yet...God chooses to be gracious to some...without ever giving us a reason for his choice. It is just what it is. He is extremely kind though we don't merit his kindness.
All humans, because of the fall were predestined to hell...but God chose to pardon some for no explainable reason.
God then commissions those whom he saves to tell the entire world about his reconciliation through Jesus sacrificial death. Those who respond by faith are those whom God had written their names down before time began. Are all the others predestined to death? That is a debate. My position is that sin predestined us and God chose to pluck some out and predestine some to salvation. Read Romans 8 and 9 as well as Ephesians 1 as the basis for this view.
(My apologies for the long post.)

What is it with you and your incredibly long rambling post anyway? It must have took a whole 20 seconds to read that, I don't have that time its 2017 going on '18... you better keep it short because next year I plan on learning how to juggle

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[tango]

If he could have written on a website discussion board in small bites...

Even on a site like this cutting into small bites does little other than dilute or lose the message for the benefit of people who probably still won't take it in. If someone hasn't got the attention span to read three or four paragraphs, how will they suddenly have the attention required to remember the overall message when it's split across six messages with a week or more between them?

 

[tango]

If he could have written on a website discussion board in small bites...

I wonder how many people would have bothered to have read much of his book if he had written in a Forbes style...



The vision of Isaiah son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem

You won't believe what follows

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[user1234]

Even on a site like this cutting into small bites does little other than dilute or lose the message for the benefit of people who probably still won't take it in. If someone hasn't got the attention span to read three or four paragraphs, how will they suddenly have the attention required to remember the overall message when it's split across six messages with a week or more between them?

What? Sorry...could you repeat that?
I start to drift off around 2dozen words.
Something about the 'benefit of people'? blah blah, yawn ... like THEY matter ......

:wink:

 

[MennoSota]

Even on a site like this cutting into small bites does little other than dilute or lose the message for the benefit of people who probably still won't take it in. If someone hasn't got the attention span to read three or four paragraphs, how will they suddenly have the attention required to remember the overall message when it's split across six messages with a week or more between them?

Attention span is not the problem. Poor writing skills combined with rambling thoughts is the problem. Be succinct and make your point directly. There is no need to ramble.

 

[tango]

Attention span is not the problem. Poor writing skills combined with rambling thoughts is the problem. Be succinct and make your point directly. There is no need to ramble.

Improving the writing skills of untold numbers of people who post their thoughts online, using technology that gives everybody a voice regardless of how coherently they can voice their thoughts and regardless of whether they have any concept of spelling and punctuation, and that's even before getting to things like homonyms and the vagaries of international communications.

It would be nice but, as the saying goes, good luck with that.

 

[user1234]

Attention span is not the problem. Poor writing skills combined with rambling thoughts is the problem. Be succinct and make your point directly. There is no need to ramble.

Sometimes. But sometimes points get tied together at the end if youre patient enough to listen to the person and not condemn them for being less scholarly than some others.

You never know the reason why some ppl struggle to communicate, in writing or speech, it doesnt necessarily mean theyre stupid or ignorant, there could be all kinds of reasons.

Part of the problem can be at the other end ... Some ppl struggle with talking, but others struggle with listening.

And in this age of soundbite communication.......

 

[MennoSota]

Improving the writing skills of untold numbers of people who post their thoughts online, using technology that gives everybody a voice regardless of how coherently they can voice their thoughts and regardless of whether they have any concept of spelling and punctuation, and that's even before getting to things like homonyms and the vagaries of international communications.

It would be nice but, as the saying goes, good luck with that.

Yep. That is why I tell people, upfront, that I won't be reading long, rambling posts. They can still write them, but I feel it is courteous of me to tell them I won't be reading it.

 

[user1234]

Yep. That is why I tell people, upfront, that I won't be reading long, rambling posts. They can still write them, but I feel it is courteous of me to tell them I won't be reading it.

Not enough info...please elaborate. :disgonbegood:

 

[MennoSota]

Not enough info...please elaborate. :disgonbegood:

I'm pretty sure you can fill in the edges for me...