the meaning of Baptism

[Imalive]

Josiah I am addressing baptism. You are attacking me. Who do think should take a break?

Everyone?

 

[user1234]

Here's a slew of verses where the English word baptism is used. Must all these verses be referencing water as the one and only baptism God ever uses? Must we force water upon every use of the word baptism?
How might we know when water is being used and when it is not mentioned?
https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-baptism/

Yes good question. And why do certain posters INSIST it always means water when it doesnt say water. Why dost there needs be these restrictions on Gods word when it doesnt sayeth 'water only'? Canst it not be juice? Or eggnog, in honor of the holidays?
It doesnt say NOT to baptizeth babies under the age of X, nor doth it say NOT to baptizeth in eggnog.

(Hey, this is kinda fun...like dutch tongues :wink

 

[user1234]

Everyone?

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[Lamb]

For those of you who need a break, take one. If you're still addressing the text and doctrine then please continue.

 

[Imalive]

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[user1234]

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[atpollard]

For those of you who need a break, take one. If you're still addressing the text and doctrine then please continue.

:shark:
[Taking a break to do something more relaxing.]

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

MoreCoffee gave the text.
John the baptist didn't get baptised as a baby though.

True, but they were both circumcised according to the Law. Their parents were obedient to the Commandment

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

I attend at least 2 diff churches on a regulat basis, and they are very diff in both doctrine and practice. One baptizes babies (it's not clear to me why).

Is it that it's not clear to you why, or that you disagree as to why it's done? I think it's been well explained in many threads why certain churches perform infant baptism.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

:shark:
[Taking a break to do something more relaxing.]

Yes, that looks very relaxing :;-D:

 

[MoreCoffee]

MoreCoffee gave the text.
John the baptist didn't get baptised as a baby though. Neither did Jesus. And I doubt that any baby is always filled w the Holy Spirit in the whomb. It's possible that one is, but how do you know?

Both Jesus and John were circumcised as infants. Circumcision made them part of the people of Israel. Without it they would have been cut off from the people (it is a play on words).

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

I see what you did there
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[user1234]

Is it that it's not clear to you why, or that you disagree as to why it's done? I think it's been well explained in many threads why certain churches perform infant baptism.

As I said, its not clear to me why that one particular church I happen to attend baptizes babies. The other church I attend doesnt, and I clearly get why they dont.
A third church Im not sure of, Ive only attended a few times on Sunday, and Wed nights for prayer and bible, but I dont think they do it. Theyre baptist, though. I just dont get into alot of denominational things, Im glad Jesus saved me solely by grace thru faith.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

As I said, its not clear to me why that one particular church I happen to attend baptizes babies. The other church I attend doesnt, and I clearly get why they dont.
A third church Im not sure of, Ive only attended a few times on Sunday, and Wed nights for prayer and bible, but I dont think they do it. Theyre baptist, though. I just dont get into alot of denominational things,

Okay, fair enough.

Im glad Jesus saved me solely by grace thru faith.

On this we can agree!

 

[Imalive]

True, but they were both circumcised according to the Law. Their parents were obedient to the Commandment

Yes and now circumcision isn't necessary anymore. Jesus was dedicated in the temple. I dedicated my kids before conception. I just said: I refuse to have kids w out the assurance they go to heaven.
Once my eldest was worried if he later in life would maybe leave God. Guess his dad gave a hell preaching. I said: don't worry. I dedicated you before conception and refused to get a kid if God wouldn't make sure he wouldn't leave Him later on in life. Oh okay. No baptism needed for that. When the best time is to do it? I'd think as soon as they accept Jesus. Kids are sanctified w a christian parent anyway. And if they kick and cry cause they are forced to get in a cold bath, no rather not. Goodness if a bath was 2 degrees too cold they'd scream.

For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.

https://www.google.nl/amp/s/christi...arguments-for-and-against-infant-baptism/amp/

 

[MoreCoffee]

Baptism does what circumcision use to do.

 

[Imalive]

Moses commanded the Israelites in Deuteronomy 10:16 to circumcise their hearts, and even promised that God would do the circumcising (Deuteronomy 30:6).
It symbolizes the cutting off of the sin nature.

In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Can babies circumsize their heart?
I once read a testimony of a man who was born again since birth. If that's the case a baby can be baptized.
I don't think they can do that. Small kids yes, but babies not.
acts 2:38…babies can't follow these instructions.

 

[Imalive]

This is a good one:

At some stage children are too young to make a credible profession of faith.
Imagine that you are listening in while a father has a conversation with his two-year-old son:

Dad: “Do you love Jesus, Johnny?
Boy: “Da!” (That’s his sound for “yes.”)
Dad: “Do you trust Him with all your heart?”
Boy: “Da!”
Dad: Do you think your sins make you bad?”
Boy: “Da!”
Dad: “Do you give Jesus your whole life?”
Boy: “Da!”

Is it possible that God just saved that boy? Absolutely! Can we have any degree of certainty that this is a genuine conversion? No, we can’t. The age of that child calls into question his ability to understand and respond to the gospel. His cognitive abilities and his self-awareness have not yet developed to the point where we can be certain that he can understand what it is that he is agreeing to. It is not unlikely that the same boy would answer “Yes,” when asked if storks deliver babies and if Santa Claus delivers gifts.

I use this illustration to display what all Christians affirm: There is evidently an age at which a child is too young to make a credible profession of faith. Though that child may be genuinely saved, he lacks the maturity, the autonomy and the ability to count the cost that will give us confidence that his profession is credible. Therefore, it would be unwise of us to baptize him until we can establish the validity of his profession.

https://www.challies.com/articles/when-should-my-children-be-baptized/

 

[MoreCoffee]

Baptism does what circumcision use to do.



Baptism also does more than circumcision used to do.

 

[user1234]

It seems alot of ppl are simply doing a christian-lite version of the Judaizers.
They wanted new believers to be circumcised in order to REALLY be saved...
Now, the modern day version is Water-baptism.