the meaning of Baptism

[MoreCoffee]

There is no place in the Bible that says anything about infant baptism. That is the epitome of speculative theology.

There are at least five places in the new testament that testify to baptism regenerating. You still haven't told us what baptism means according to the holy scriptures. You never really gave a thoughtful reply to atpollard's appeal to you - the post about sitting at a table with him (a fellow baptist) and sharing views over a cup of coffee quietly and in friendship. I am still waiting for a CH baptist member to really explain the meaning of baptism according to the scriptures.

 

[MoreCoffee]

In Romans 6 you find no water in the entire context. None. The word baptizo does not equal water. You are forcing your bias on the passage.
I am saying that water and the ceremony of sprinkling or immersion has no mystical power to save. None

How many Baptisms do you teach there are?

 

[MennoSota]

There are at least five places in the new testament that testify to baptism regenerating. You still haven't told us what baptism means according to the holy scriptures. You never really gave a thoughtful reply to atpollard's appeal to you - the post about sitting at a table with him (a fellow baptist) and sharing views over a cup of coffee quietly and in friendship. I am still waiting for a CH baptist member to really explain the meaning of baptism according to the scriptures.

There is not one place.
There are at least five places you point to to make up a doctrine from hell, however.
Baptism simply means to immerse or dip. Nothing mystical about the word MC. That mysticism is coming from your false doctrine.
I'm waiting for you to repent.

 

[MennoSota]

How many Baptisms do you teach there are?

You ask an ignorant question.
How many ways do you think the Greek word baptizo might be used? In how many different contexts can you use the word immersion or the words, to dip? Is the word, immersion, only used for dipping in water?

 

[MoreCoffee]

There is not one place.
There are at least five places you point to to make up a doctrine from hell, however.
Baptism simply means to immerse or dip. Nothing mystical about the word MC. That mysticism is coming from your false doctrine.
I'm waiting for you to repent.

I point to five places in holy scripture. The passages themselves make the doctrine. It is not my doing. God inspired the words and the passages. Read in context they do in fact teach regeneration with baptism.
John 3:5, Romans 6:3-9, Titus 3:5, 1 Peter 3:18-22, Acts 22:1-21. Of course there are many additional passages that teach the same things for example, 1 Corinthians 12:12-13, and other passages that teach the same by analogy 1 Corinthians 10:1-22. But you, MennoSota, what do you say baptism means. What does baptism do if it does anything?

 

[MoreCoffee]

You ask an ignorant question.
How many ways do you think the Greek word baptizo might be used? In how many different contexts can you use the word immersion or the words, to dip? Is the word, immersion, only used for dipping in water?

There is one baptism, MennoSota. Just one. Ephesians 4:5.

 

[MennoSota]

I point to five places in holy scripture. The passages themselves make the doctrine. It is not my doing. God inspired the words and the passages. Read in context they do in fact teach regeneration with baptism.
John 3:5, Romans 6:3-9, Titus 3:5, 1 Peter 3:18-22, Acts 22:1-21. Of course there are many additional passages that teach the same things for example, 1 Corinthians 12:12-13, and other passages that teach the same by analogy 1 Corinthians 10:1-22. But you, MennoSota, what do you say baptism means. What does baptism do if it does anything?

Again, you assert a doctrine that is not in any of the passages. You assert something that is a phantom. Try assert something real.
Not one, in context, supports your empty assertion. Not one. Give up your heresy, MC.

 

[MennoSota]

There is one baptism, MennoSota. Just one. Ephesians 4:5.

How many meanings does the word immersion have, MC?
Can you immerse something in oil? Can you immerse something in mud? Can you immerse a cookie in milk? Is your cookie regenerated when you immerse it in your glass of milk?

 

[MoreCoffee]

How many meanings does the word immersion have, MC?
Can you immerse something in oil? Can you immerse something in mud? Can you immerse a cookie in milk? Is your cookie regenerated when you immerse it in your glass of milk?

There is one baptism. The scripture testifies to it. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. [Ephesians 4:4-6]

 

[MennoSota]

There is one baptism. The scripture testifies to it. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. [Ephesians 4:4-6]

Where is the word water in Ephesians 4? Please show us.

Ephesians 4:3-6
[3]Make every effort to keep yourselves united in the Spirit, binding yourselves together with peace.
[4]For there is one body and one Spirit, just as you have been called to one glorious hope for the future.
[5]There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
[6]one God and Father of all, who is over all, in all, and living through all.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Where is the word water in Ephesians 4? Please show us.

Ephesians 4:3-6
[3]Make every effort to keep yourselves united in the Spirit, binding yourselves together with peace.
[4]For there is one body and one Spirit, just as you have been called to one glorious hope for the future.
[5]There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
[6]one God and Father of all, who is over all, in all, and living through all.

What were you baptised with, was it water or something else?

As the scripture says, there is one baptism.

 

[MennoSota]

What were you baptised with, was it water or something else?

As the scripture says, there is one baptism.

Where is the word water added to the word baptizo? Please show us.
You are fixated on water when the word immersion is used, but water should not be forced into every instance when the word baptizo is used.
So, show us the Greek word for water that is used in Ephesians 4. You won't find it, but I give you the chance anyway.

 

[MennoSota]

The scripture is clear that the Spirit has immersed us in Christ. Spirit baptism is the only effectual baptism referred to in scripture. It is the ONE baptism.
Water baptism is just a ceremony with no mystical power...just like receiving communion. Nothing mystical, MC, despite your churches false teaching.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Fundamentally, MennoSota, it is not baptism if you do not get wet. There is one baptism. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 

[user1234]

How many meanings does the word immersion have, MC?
Can you immerse something in oil? Can you immerse something in mud? Can you immerse a cookie in milk? Is your cookie regenerated when you immerse it in your glass of milk?

:disgonbegood::cheer::yourock: The regenerated cookie takes the cake!!! ound::bananmac:

Fundamentally, MennoSota, it is not baptism if you do not get wet. There is one baptism. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

If getting wet is a requirement for baptism, and baptism is a requirement for salvation, and salvation is a requirement for entering heaven, you have just effectively barred a whole lot of ppl down thru the ages from ever being saved and entering heaven with that teaching, MoreCoffer.
Thats very dangerous teaching, are you sure you want to hold to it?

 

[user1234]

A salvation scenario:

Guy A: Believes in the Lord Jesus Christ, His death for his sins, burial and resurrection from the grave. Never gets baptized in water.

Guy B: Believes in the Lord Jesus Christ as Guy A, and DOES get water-baptised, does so as a symbolic response to already being a believer, but does not believe his water-baptism is a requirement for salvation.

Guy C: Believes in Jesus AND gets baptised in water, believing that his water-baptism IS a requirement for salvation.

Guy D: Does NOT believe in Jesus, but WAS baptised in water at one point in his life, either as a baby at a ceremony with his parents, or as a young child even adult, but didnt understand or care to understand what he was doing.

Guy E: Does not believe in Jesus and was never water-baptized.

Of the 5 Guys, which one(s) if any, are saved and go to heaven?

 

[MoreCoffee]

A salvation scenario:

Guy A: Believes in the Lord Jesus Christ, His death for his sins, burial and resurrection from the grave. Never gets baptized in water.

Guy B: Believes in the Lord Jesus Christ as Guy A, and DOES get water-baptised, does so as a symbolic response to already being a believer, but does not believe his water-baptism is a requirement for salvation.

Guy C: Believes in Jesus AND gets baptised in water, believing that his water-baptism IS a requirement for salvation.

Guy D: Does NOT believe in Jesus, but WAS baptised in water at one point in his life, either as a baby at a ceremony with his parents, or as a young child even adult, but didnt understand or care to understand what he was doing.

Guy E: Does not believe in Jesus and was never water-baptized.

Of the 5 Guys, which one(s) if any, are saved and go to heaven?

All 5 guys ought to be baptised when they realise that Jesus commanded that disciples be baptised in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. If they refuse baptism then they are not following Jesus and are not his disciples.

 

[Imalive]

A salvation scenario:

Guy A: Believes in the Lord Jesus Christ, His death for his sins, burial and resurrection from the grave. Never gets baptized in water.

Guy B: Believes in the Lord Jesus Christ as Guy A, and DOES get water-baptised, does so as a symbolic response to already being a believer, but does not believe his water-baptism is a requirement for salvation.

Guy C: Believes in Jesus AND gets baptised in water, believing that his water-baptism IS a requirement for salvation.

Guy D: Does NOT believe in Jesus, but WAS baptised in water at one point in his life, either as a baby at a ceremony with his parents, or as a young child even adult, but didnt understand or care to understand what he was doing.

Guy E: Does not believe in Jesus and was never water-baptized.

Of the 5 Guys, which one(s) if any, are saved and go to heaven?

A: depends. There are ppl who say they're saved but can't even do that and live like the devil. There are ppl who get saved in a jail in China and can't get baptised. Those are saved.
D and E are not saved. A good one from McArthur: Simon the scorcerer got baptized but wasn't saved. I just thought: hey so the apostles baptized someone who hadn't repented yet.

 

[user1234]

All 5 guys ought to be baptised when they realise that Jesus commanded that disciples be baptised in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. If they refuse baptism then they are not following Jesus and are not his disciples.

This reply is such a fine example of how NOT to answer a question
while 'Under the Appearance' of answering, I'm considering giving it a Rep pt.
just for the sheer talent of evasiveness it displays. :stickguy:

 

[MoreCoffee]

This reply is such a fine example of how NOT to answer a question
while 'Under the Appearance' of answering, I'm considering giving it a Rep pt.
just for the sheer talent of evasiveness it displays. :stickguy:

:smirk: