Purgatory?

[MennoSota]

Because some dont believe in working out your salvation, they rip out the passages about backsliding, falling away and departing discipleship in Christ, repenting lest ye crucify Jesus a fresh.
In short Christians should act like Christians and God is not going to do all the work. It takes a willing soul and heart for God, the bride should be ready and prepared. The majority of people take advantage of grace and use it as an excuse for indulgence of sin, "oh I am saved because Jesus died for my sins, so I am allowed to keep sinning"

You have a strange concept of osas and your works salvation castrates grace. You misunderstand working out your salvation and you misunderstand repentance. In short, you have really awful theology.

 

[Andrew]

You have a strange concept of osas and your works salvation castrates grace. You misunderstand working out your salvation and you misunderstand repentance. In short, you have really awful theology.

I disagree I believe your theology is awful.

 

[MennoSota]

So thats why I hate grace and osas lol. Gimme some works based mix please.

That's just sad. You reject Christ's work of grace and desire your own works. The Bible is very, very clear that you fall short of the glory of God. You miss the mark. You die in your sins and spend eternity in hell. Do you realize what you are claiming?

 

[Andrew]

You see, I believe in Grace and God's work of salvation, not our efforts to be saved.

"... you can repent and pray for deliverance, believe the prayer and let Gods grace work in you."

When we agree but you are so self righteous you don't notice

 

[MennoSota]

I disagree I believe your theology is awful.

Of course you do, but mine is based in scripture and well documented while yours is based on...well...I don't know what basis you have for your belief.

 

[MennoSota]

"... you can repent and pray for deliverance, believe the prayer and let Gods grace work in you."

When we agree but you are so self righteous you don't notice

LOL, what you just said is entirely man-centered. It's all about you and your efforts. Grace doesn't even exist in your means of salvation. Such man-centered works can never result in salvation, but instead results in eternal damnation. "Not of works lest any one should boast."

 

[Andrew]

Of course you do, but mine is based in scripture and well documented while yours is based on...well...I don't know what basis you have for your belief.

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Acts 2:37-47

 

[Andrew]

LOL, what you just said is entirely man-centered. It's all about you and your efforts. Grace doesn't even exist in your means of salvation. Such man-centered works can never result in salvation, but instead results in eternal damnation. "Not of works lest any one should boast."

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
Acts 3:19
Sins are forgiven on repentance do you believe that? If you do is repentance works?

 

[Andrew]

True repentance involves sorrow for acts of sin and leads to a fundamental change in attitude. We are all sinners in our own ways (Romans 3:23,*1*John 1:8), and we may fail time and again in our attempt to avoid sin. God is always willing for us to start over and make another attempt. However, if we ask for forgiveness with the intention of sinning again, we have not really repented.

Related verses:*Matthew 3:2,*Matthew 4:17,*Mark 1:15,*Mark 6:12,*Luke 3:3,*Luke 5:31-32,*Luke 13:3-5,*Luke 24:47,*Acts 2:38,*Acts 3:19,*Acts 8:22,*Acts 17:30-31,*Acts 20:21,*2*Corinthians 7:10.

 

[MennoSota]

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Acts 2:37-47

Acts of the Apostles 13:46-49
[46]Then Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and declared, “It was necessary that we first preach the word of God to you Jews. But since you have rejected it and judged yourselves unworthy of eternal life, we will offer it to the Gentiles.
[47]For the Lord gave us this command when he said, ‘I have made you a light to the Gentiles, *** to bring salvation to the farthest corners of the earth.’”
[48]When the Gentiles heard this, they were very glad and thanked the Lord for his message; and all who were chosen for eternal life became believers.
[49]So the Lord’s message spread throughout that region.

Notice how God chooses those who will become believers.
Do a word study on the word "chosen" and see what you find. You'll be amazed at what you find from Genesis to Revelation.
Though you cannot see it, even Acts 2 supports God's work in choosing who would believe.

 

[MennoSota]

True repentance involves sorrow for acts of sin and leads to a fundamental change in attitude. We are all sinners in our own ways (Romans 3:23,*1*John 1:8), and we may fail time and again in our attempt to avoid sin. God is always willing for us to start over and make another attempt. However, if we ask for forgiveness with the intention of sinning again, we have not really repented.

Related verses:*Matthew 3:2,*Matthew 4:17,*Mark 1:15,*Mark 6:12,*Luke 3:3,*Luke 5:31-32,*Luke 13:3-5,*Luke 24:47,*Acts 2:38,*Acts 3:19,*Acts 8:22,*Acts 17:30-31,*Acts 20:21,*2*Corinthians 7:10.

No dead person can repent.
Unless God makes you alive, you cannot repent. This is not difficult, yet you insist on works salvation. The only reason is because you want to be the lord of your life and have God as your trusty advisor. God will never abide by that. You must give up your control.

 

[MennoSota]

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
Acts 3:19
Sins are forgiven on repentance do you believe that? If you do is repentance works?

Sins are paid for by Jesus atoning sacrifice for those who are adopted by God. Repentance is an effect of God's work of adoption.
Remember...dead men can't repent.

 

[Andrew]

Acts of the Apostles 13:46-49
[46]Then Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and declared, “It was necessary that we first preach the word of God to you Jews. But since you have rejected it and judged yourselves unworthy of eternal life, we will offer it to the Gentiles.
[47]For the Lord gave us this command when he said, ‘I have made you a light to the Gentiles, *** to bring salvation to the farthest corners of the earth.’”
[48]When the Gentiles heard this, they were very glad and thanked the Lord for his message; and all who were chosen for eternal life became believers.
[49]So the Lord’s message spread throughout that region.

Notice how God chooses those who will become believers.
Do a word study on the word "chosen" and see what you find. You'll be amazed at what you find from Genesis to Revelation.
Though you cannot see it, even Acts 2 supports God's work in choosing who would believe.

Oh ok your right, how silly of me it was all in my head. Going out to buy a pack of smokes and 25 case of budweisers and call some cocaine buds to come over and get toasted and have an "im saved" party.
Thanks for correcting me on my dumb theorys that it is not necessary to stop sinning, im going to drunk dial my pastor and call him a liar and a damned soul because he turned away from his sins, what a schmuck! Im starting my own church to you menno, "The KeepSinning Church of MennoSota" or "CrucifyAfresh Church of Unrepentance"

 

[MennoSota]

Oh ok your right, how silly of me it was all in my head. Going out to buy a pack of smokes and 25 case of budweisers and call some cocaine buds to come over and get toasted and have an "im saved" party.
Thanks for correcting me on my dumb theorys that it is not necessary to stop sinning, im going to drunk dial my pastor and call him a liar and a damned soul because he turned away from his sins, what a schmuck! Im starting my own church to you menno, "The KeepSinning Church of MennoSota" or "CrucifyAfresh Church of Unrepentance"

LOL, your hyperbole does not make a good argument.
Paul tells the Ephesians that they were dead in their trespasses and sins, but God made them alive in Christ.
Please explain how a dead man repents.
When the message of repentance is shared in Acts and even today, only those whom God makes alive will repent. Repentance is an effect of God's work in giving life. Repentance is not a cause of salvation. To say it is a cause is to castrate God's grace and replace it with works, which is exactly what you are doing. You are essentially saying that God is not strong enough to save you without your glorious help.
@ DHoffmann, do you know what grace is?

 

[Andrew]

LOL, your hyperbole does not make a good argument.
Paul tells the Ephesians that they were dead in their trespasses and sins, but God made them alive in Christ.
Please explain how a dead man repents.
When the message of repentance is shared in Acts and even today, only those whom God makes alive will repent. Repentance is an effect of God's work in giving life. Repentance is not a cause of salvation. To say it is a cause is to castrate God's grace and replace it with works, which is exactly what you are doing. You are essentially saying that God is not strong enough to save you without your glorious help.
@ DHoffmann, do you know what grace is?

Grace is to allow the sin to continue while the Spirit convicts one by one each sin to raise you incorruptible and eventually to live Holy Lifes until death, its the unconditional love of God and his promise

 

[MennoSota]

Grace is to allow the sin to continue while the Spirit convicts one by one each sin to raise you incorruptible and eventually to live Holy Lifes until death, its the unconditional love of God and his promise

No, that is not grace. Care to try again?

 

[Andrew]

No, that is not grace. Care to try again?

His working in us in his mercy.
Yea i know what it is i just dont have words for it. Edify me and i will honestly say if thats what i believe or not

 

[MennoSota]

His working in us in his mercy.
Yea i know what it is i just dont have words for it. Edify me and i will honestly say if thats what i believe or not

https://bible.org/article/grace-and-peace
The Greek word is charis. See what it means because you are not describing it when you talk about salvation.

 

[Andrew]

https://bible.org/article/grace-and-peace
The Greek word is charis. See what it means because you are not describing it when you talk about salvation.

"Through God’s marvelous grace sinners are delivered from their sins and brought into a saving relationship with a holy God by the work of God on their behalf completely free of charge. This grace does not cease with salvation from sin’s penalty, but continues on as the foundation of the believer’s life with God throughout all eternity. These blessings of grace Paul and his associates wish for their readers."

Delivered from sins
Saving relationship with works on Gods behalf
Does not cease
Blessings
I never disagreed with that, God delivered me from tons of things but I do feel convicted of some sin and so I repent as the apostles taught God wont control someones hand from putting a joint to your mouth but the holy spirit can make you not want to, if you fight that spirit you may still do it and start diminishing the Spirit in you and stop believing and backslide, so repentance is very important you have will and you might have to cast off your spirital arm into the fire so to speak, that is willingly cease to sin and put the joint down.
Why is repentance such an issue with you anyway? This grace we agree on does not interfere with the process of repentance or vise versa, they complement eachother.
Im tired of all these grace alone faith alone scripture alone titles, these all work together. If you love God you will keep his commandments, backsliders dont care about grace they relapse and turn back to darkness, this does not help save the world.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

So......... Purgatory.