False teachers

[Hammster]

It is not the actual wounds that heal. It is passing the tests set forth by personal circumstances and /or wounds, or negativity. We must be thankful and selfless or giving without expecting return.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

That's not what the verse says.


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[Hammster]

One thing experience teaches us is to be inherently distrustful of televised preachers. Or maybe it's just me. Likely the latter.

There is no faith group closer to God, it is, and always will be an individual basis.

The issue here is the tarnished record of claimed preachers, who given time have shown their fruit. Not the good kind. Of course this doesn't mean we should group them all together, yet distrust should be understandable. We are urged to discern. Look to the humble, not the boastful.

Leading others astray is far too easy with smooth words, or experiences. That's why I always stress to tread carefully.

While the character of the individual is important, what I'm more concerned with is bad theology. The word of faith movement is heretical and disruptive. It's a religious Ponzi scheme. And some of its seem to have no issues with associating with those who deny the Trinity. That's dangerous.


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[Hammster]

This nails it:

http://youtu.be/PTc_FoELt8s


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[MoreCoffee]

Biblical healing does not come from the recipient's goodness or worthiness, it comes from God's grace. And biblical healing does not come from touching a TV screen, or praying with a TV preacher, or sending money to a TV preacher. You can tell when a promise of healing is fake, it will be accompanied with a request for donations.

 

[popsthebuilder]

While the character of the individual is important, what I'm more concerned with is bad theology. The word of faith movement is heretical and disruptive. It's a religious Ponzi scheme. And some of its seem to have no issues with associating with those who deny the Trinity. That's dangerous.


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Of course God can heal wounds or ailments literally as well to those whom he chooses. Just looked up word of faith Christians on wiki. It didn't say anything about heritical practice or denial or the trinity. What are claiming is heritical about them? Just curious, as this is the first I've heard of them. Thanks.

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[popsthebuilder]

Hammster,

What makes them dangerous?

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

 

[Hammster]

Of course God can heal wounds or ailments literally as well to those whom he chooses. Just looked up word of faith Christians on wiki. It didn't say anything about heritical practice or denial or the trinity. What are claiming is heritical about them? Just curious, as this is the first I've heard of them. Thanks.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

No one has said that God cannot heal. The verse that has been brought up as a proof text, though, is Isaiah 53:5. The claim is that all will be healed by faith, even though the verse says nothing about that.


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[Hammster]

Hammster,

What makes them dangerous?

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

They promote idolatry.


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[seekingsolace]

I was speaking more of the corporate greed inherent in American culture shows I seem to see. Offers of products and services for a 'free donation of 20 dollars' and so on. Where the idea of a successful preacher is speaking the loudest, and storming around a stage. Personally, I prefer a quiet spoken, doctrinally sound teacher.

This Word of Faith movement I hadn't really heard or had interest in. Reading up on it I can see doctrines most definitely heretical.

 

[popsthebuilder]

They promote idolatry.


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Oh! Yeah, that's no bueno. Thanks for the heads up.

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[popsthebuilder]

By idol worship are you referring to greed? Or what?

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[Hammster]

By idol worship are you referring to greed? Or what?

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

They put the gift before the Giver.


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[popsthebuilder]

They put the gift before the Giver.


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Still no bueno.

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[Hammster]

http://m.blogs.christianpost.com/ridiculous-reads/10-crazy-quotes-from-televangelists-17444/


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[Hammster]

More indefensible "teachings".

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/tbn_network.htm


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[Hammster]

Your mission, should you chose to accept it, is to find the glaring flaw.

http://www.kcm.org/real-help/resources/lies-christians-believe-about-healing-1


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[tango]

Your mission, should you chose to accept it, is to find the glaring flaw.

http://www.kcm.org/real-help/resources/lies-christians-believe-about-healing-1


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Oooh! Oooh! Pick me!

I wonder how "Lie #1 - Clearly, it’s healing, not sickness, that glorifies God!" fits in with "Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."

If only Gloria Copeland could have lived 2000-odd years ago so she could have put that half-wit Paul straight on a few things.

 

[Hammster]

Oooh! Oooh! Pick me!

I wonder how "Lie #1 - Clearly, it’s healing, not sickness, that glorifies God!" fits in with "Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."

If only Gloria Copeland could have lived 2000-odd years ago so she could have put that half-wit Paul straight on a few things.

There's that. And, why in the heck are these WoF folks getting sick in the first place?


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[Hammster]

Why did Paul Crouch die at age 79? That's a bit off from 120.


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[tango]

There's that. And, why in the heck are these WoF folks getting sick in the first place?


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Maybe they gave God permission to heal them but forgot to give God permission to abolish sickness in the first place. One or other of them was saying that God can only do what we permit him to do, so maybe God is sitting in heaven wringing his hands wishing we'd just get with it.