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Who is the other man in Romans 7?
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What other man?
Romans 7:1-25 Released from the Law
7 Or do you not know, brothers1—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? 2 For ea married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage.2 3 Accordingly, fshe will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.
4 Likewise, my brothers, gyou also have died hto the law ithrough the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, jin order that we may bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work kin our members lto bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the mnew way of nthe Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.3
The Law and Sin
7 What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, oI would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if pthe law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, qseizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. rFor apart from the law, sin lies dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died. 10 The very commandment sthat promised life proved to be death to me. 11 For sin, tseizing an opportunity through the commandment, udeceived me and through it killed me. 12 So vthe law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.
13 Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, wsold under sin. 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For xI do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with ythe law, that it is good. 17 So now zit is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells ain me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 bFor I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, cit is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For dI delight in the law of God, ein my inner being, 23 but I see in my members fanother law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from gthis body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
Romans 7:1-25 Released from the Law
7 Or do you not know, brothers1—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? 2 For ea married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage.2 3 Accordingly, fshe will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.
4 Likewise, my brothers, gyou also have died hto the law ithrough the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, jin order that we may bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work kin our members lto bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the mnew way of nthe Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.3
The Law and Sin
7 What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, oI would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if pthe law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, qseizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. rFor apart from the law, sin lies dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died. 10 The very commandment sthat promised life proved to be death to me. 11 For sin, tseizing an opportunity through the commandment, udeceived me and through it killed me. 12 So vthe law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.
13 Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, wsold under sin. 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For xI do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with ythe law, that it is good. 17 So now zit is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells ain me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 bFor I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, cit is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For dI delight in the law of God, ein my inner being, 23 but I see in my members fanother law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from gthis body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
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I used to think that too but you can't be married to a law.
He was talking to ppl who knew the law.
God was married to Israel and according to the law it was a sin to go back to your first wife. God divorced Israel because of her adultery and He couldn't go back to His ex according to His own law so He died and they with Him. New Man, new wife, new covenant.
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I don't understand the question.
The passage has to do with law and grace. It is a theme running through the entire letter.
Paul simply gives an example of how the law applies and when the law no longer applies.
Romans 7:1-25
[1]Now, dear brothers and sisters—you who are familiar with the law—don’t you know that the law applies only while a person is living?
[2]For example, when a woman marries, the law binds her to her husband as long as he is alive. But if he dies, the laws of marriage no longer apply to her.
[3]So while her husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she married another man. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law and does not commit adultery when she remarries.
[4]So, my dear brothers and sisters, this is the point: You died to the power of the law when you died with Christ. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead. As a result, we can produce a harvest of good deeds for God.
[5]When we were controlled by our old nature, sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death.
[6]But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.
[7]Well then, am I suggesting that the law of God is sinful? Of course not! In fact, it was the law that showed me my sin. I would never have known that coveting is wrong if the law had not said, “You must not covet.”
[8]But sin used this command to arouse all kinds of covetous desires within me! If there were no law, sin would not have that power.
[9]At one time I lived without understanding the law. But when I learned the command not to covet, for instance, the power of sin came to life,
[10]and I died. So I discovered that the law’s commands, which were supposed to bring life, brought spiritual death instead.
[11]Sin took advantage of those commands and deceived me; it used the commands to kill me.
[12]But still, the law itself is holy, and its commands are holy and right and good.
[13]But how can that be? Did the law, which is good, cause my death? Of course not! Sin used what was good to bring about my condemnation to death. So we can see how terrible sin really is. It uses God’s good commands for its own evil purposes.
[14]So the trouble is not with the law, for it is spiritual and good. The trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin.
[15]I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate.
[16]But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good.
[17]So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.
[18]And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. I want to do what is right, but I can’t.
[19]I want to do what is good, but I don’t. I don’t want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway.
[20]But if I do what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.
[21]I have discovered this principle of life—that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong.
[22]I love God’s law with all my heart.
[23]But there is another power within me that is at war with my mind. This power makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me.
[24]Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin and death?
[25]Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God’s law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin.
The passage has to do with law and grace. It is a theme running through the entire letter.
Paul simply gives an example of how the law applies and when the law no longer applies.
Romans 7:1-25
[1]Now, dear brothers and sisters—you who are familiar with the law—don’t you know that the law applies only while a person is living?
[2]For example, when a woman marries, the law binds her to her husband as long as he is alive. But if he dies, the laws of marriage no longer apply to her.
[3]So while her husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she married another man. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law and does not commit adultery when she remarries.
[4]So, my dear brothers and sisters, this is the point: You died to the power of the law when you died with Christ. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead. As a result, we can produce a harvest of good deeds for God.
[5]When we were controlled by our old nature, sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death.
[6]But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.
[7]Well then, am I suggesting that the law of God is sinful? Of course not! In fact, it was the law that showed me my sin. I would never have known that coveting is wrong if the law had not said, “You must not covet.”
[8]But sin used this command to arouse all kinds of covetous desires within me! If there were no law, sin would not have that power.
[9]At one time I lived without understanding the law. But when I learned the command not to covet, for instance, the power of sin came to life,
[10]and I died. So I discovered that the law’s commands, which were supposed to bring life, brought spiritual death instead.
[11]Sin took advantage of those commands and deceived me; it used the commands to kill me.
[12]But still, the law itself is holy, and its commands are holy and right and good.
[13]But how can that be? Did the law, which is good, cause my death? Of course not! Sin used what was good to bring about my condemnation to death. So we can see how terrible sin really is. It uses God’s good commands for its own evil purposes.
[14]So the trouble is not with the law, for it is spiritual and good. The trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin.
[15]I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate.
[16]But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good.
[17]So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.
[18]And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. I want to do what is right, but I can’t.
[19]I want to do what is good, but I don’t. I don’t want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway.
[20]But if I do what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.
[21]I have discovered this principle of life—that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong.
[22]I love God’s law with all my heart.
[23]But there is another power within me that is at war with my mind. This power makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me.
[24]Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin and death?
[25]Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God’s law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin.
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Maybe it's just an extra meaning. God was married to Israel and divorced and couldn't marry her again according to His law unless He died and the sin nature died.
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Maybe it is Jehovah.
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Can you provide scripture for this? I don't recall ever reading anything like your claim in the Bible.
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He was talking to ppl who knew the law. I don't. I'm not Jewish.
Here's a better link w texts:
http://www.douglashamp.com/gods-div...storation-of-israel-through-the-new-covenant/
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So, there is no text in the Bible that supports your claim. Got it.
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Happy with no biblical support? Hardly. I doubt you have biblical support for your assertion and instead are listening to a person who also struggles to understand scripture.
You're welcome.
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So enlighten me. Who's the other one?
Who were the brethren first married to?
To the law? You can't be married to a law.
Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God
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Shall we look at the text? Shall I re-copy Romans 7 so you can observe what it says and thus eliminate what it does not say, yet you want to force into the passage anyway?
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You copied it already. God gave the law. That was the first covenant. What's the first covenant?
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Do you want to go through all the covenants starting with the Adamic covenant?
No?
How about we stick to Romans 7?
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Fine with me. Why does it say to another? Who or what is the other than Jesus?
I used to think the devil.
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Are you referring to a specific text in Romans 7 or to the various covenants?