False teachers

[Hammster]

For our right to claim the 3 places in scripture on Christ being wounded for our sins and bearing our infirmity,we must be Born Again by faith through His grace.

We cannot receive Salvation without faith let alone provision.

So then, according to what you've said here, all believers are healed of any sickness.


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[popsthebuilder]

No idea what you're talking about.


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It relates to not judging unless you have first been judged and deemed righteous. Through only whole submission to God's will and complete removal of sin in ourselves can we rightly pass judgement on others under God.

Thanks

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[popsthebuilder]

Wow, you guys dont like anty penticostal do you? I love Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland and all the rest you dont. No wonder I run into so much trouble with a couple of you

Pentecost is one of the closest to absolute Faith and right direction under God that I have heard of. To be anti faithful, or in this case, against Pentecostal Faith is being negative towards God, and shouldn't be done.

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[Hammster]

It relates to not judging unless you have first been judged and deemed righteous. Through only whole submission to God's will and complete removal of sin in ourselves can we rightly pass judgement on others under God.

Thanks

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

I'm righteous. Thanks.


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[Hammster]

Pentecost is one of the closest to absolute Faith and right direction under God that I have heard of. To be anti faithful, or in this case, against Pentecostal Faith is being negative towards God, and shouldn't be done.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

I hope that at the very least you are not referring to the Pentecostalism that denies the Trinity, a la T. D. Jakes.


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[tango]

So then, according to what you've said here, all believers are healed of any sickness.


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Except Timothy. Don't forget poor Timothy, especially after such grand promises apparently passed him by.

 

[tango]

Pentecost is one of the closest to absolute Faith and right direction under God that I have heard of. To be anti faithful, or in this case, against Pentecostal Faith is being negative towards God, and shouldn't be done.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

To earnestly contend for the faith requires us to oppose some of the silliness that is promoted within some sections of the pentecostal and hypercharismatic movements.

Honestly, if you want to make statements like this you really need to back them up with some reasoning. Otherwise anyone can merely dismiss it with as much authority as you've claimed it and nobody is any the wiser.

 

[tango]

It relates to not judging unless you have first been judged and deemed righteous. Through only whole submission to God's will and complete removal of sin in ourselves can we rightly pass judgement on others under God.

There's a big difference between judging others and judging their teachings. We must judge teachings - Scripture clearly tells us to "test all things". Judging the hearts of others is another matter entirely.

If Pastor Joe Blow teaches the opposite of Scripture we must call out the error. But judging whether Pastor Blow is teaching error believing it to be true or knowing it to be false requires information we probably don't have and so we are not in a position to judge motives.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I hope that at the very least you are not referring to the Pentecostalism that denies the Trinity, a la T. D. Jakes.


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I do not know who T. D. Jakes is. If you are referring to a televangelist or similarly greedy false profit then I surely am not speaking about them. I mean Pentecostal as in baptism through the Holy Spirit and lack of sin as a result through selfless guidance under God through Christ. Thanks.

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[popsthebuilder]

Except Timothy. Don't forget poor Timothy, especially after such grand promises apparently passed him by.

All is healed through Faith in God either in this physical world or the hereafter.

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[Hammster]

Except Timothy. Don't forget poor Timothy, especially after such grand promises apparently passed him by.

Maybe he wasn't really a believer.


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[Hammster]

I do not know who T. D. Jakes is. If you are referring to a televangelist or similarly greedy false profit then I surely am not speaking about them. I mean Pentecostal as in baptism through the Holy Spirit and lack of sin as a result through selfless guidance under God through Christ. Thanks.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

So now you are without sin.

The hits just keep on coming.


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[popsthebuilder]

To earnestly contend for the faith requires us to oppose some of the silliness that is promoted within some sections of the pentecostal and hypercharismatic movements.

Honestly, if you want to make statements like this you really need to back them up with some reasoning. Otherwise anyone can merely dismiss it with as much authority as you've claimed it and nobody is any the wiser.

Clarification is a often needed and should always be welcome. Basically, if you are truly faithful in the one creator of all existence, and live according to the teachings of scripture selflessly with thanks and giving then you are good to go.

Based on what I have seen; Pentecostals are generally striving to be in the right direction. This is all based on their beliefs, not necessarily their actions, for none where ever wholly perfect but One.
Thanks.

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[Hammster]

All is healed through Faith in God either in this physical world or the hereafter.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

That's not what Isaiah 53 teaches. It teaches that all are healed by His wounds.


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[popsthebuilder]

All is healed through Faith in God either in this physical world or the hereafter.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

All are healed, not is healed. Oops.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

 

[popsthebuilder]

So now you are without sin.

The hits just keep on coming.


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Never said that at all. Please try not to assume things. I am seemingly plagued by my consumption of smoke to the point of killing myself regardless of the things that have come to light wholly by God and under God. This generally singular sin seems wholly damning, but I must strive for Faith in that through patience and perseverance and guidance under God he will remove my ailments in due time. Thank you.

All Praise is to God through Christ.

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[popsthebuilder]

That's not what Isaiah 53 teaches. It teaches that all are healed by His wounds.


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It is not the actual wounds that heal. It is passing the tests set forth by personal circumstances and /or wounds, or negativity. We must be thankful and selfless or giving without expecting return.

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[tango]

All is healed through Faith in God either in this physical world or the hereafter.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

"In this physical world or hereafter" is a bit of a cop-out for anyone trying to justify the stance that God always heals. It's a bit like comforting someone in terminal agony by telling them they'll be dead soon and then the pain will stop.

 

[tango]

Clarification is a often needed and should always be welcome. Basically, if you are truly faithful in the one creator of all existence, and live according to the teachings of scripture selflessly with thanks and giving then you are good to go.

Based on what I have seen; Pentecostals are generally striving to be in the right direction. This is all based on their beliefs, not necessarily their actions, for none where ever wholly perfect but One.
Thanks.

I don't think I'd say that of pentecostals any more than anyone else who takes their Christian faith seriously.

I've seen pentecostals who would be better described as customers of Jesus than disciples of Jesus - it's all about what they can get out of the deal as they declare this thing and decree that thing and when none of it comes to pass they just carry on declaring and decreeing other things. When it passes the point of being absurd, such as when people declare abundance but still can't pay their bills, they just double down and declare some more.

Then I've seen people from far more conservative backgrounds who may not follow the divine fireworks but who just quietly get on with loving others the way Jesus instructed. We can love one another with or without the fancy fireworks but, as Paul said, without love all the fireworks are worthless.

 

[seekingsolace]

One thing experience teaches us is to be inherently distrustful of televised preachers. Or maybe it's just me. Likely the latter.

There is no faith group closer to God, it is, and always will be an individual basis.

The issue here is the tarnished record of claimed preachers, who given time have shown their fruit. Not the good kind. Of course this doesn't mean we should group them all together, yet distrust should be understandable. We are urged to discern. Look to the humble, not the boastful.

Leading others astray is far too easy with smooth words, or experiences. That's why I always stress to tread carefully.