White Nationalists rally - State of Emergency in Virginia

[MoreCoffee]

I just saw Schwarzenegger on youtube, I thought hey great message and then i saw this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZhaiA237e8

https://www.infowars.com/nazi-lover-schwarzenegger-make-me-president-of-european-union/

I imagine if anybody is in hell then Adolf Hitler and his henchmen are among them. Few people in all of human history has been as systematically evil towards others as were those men. And those who supported them, voted for them, praised them, and hoped to see them succeed are guilty of grave sins knowingly performed.

 

[Imalive]

I imagine if anybody is in hell then Adolf Hitler and his henchmen are among them. Few people in all of human history has been as systematically evil towards others as were those men. And those who supported them, voted for them, praised them, and hoped to see them succeed are guilty of grave sins knowingly performed.

Except that nazi who was in that camp w Corrie ten Boom when her sister got killed. He asked her after a sermon on forgiveness in Germany after the war if she wanted to forgive him. She didn't really feel like it but she chose to.
I thought what he said was great but then you see himself in a Nazi uniform and his dad was a nazi and he's accusing Trump.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Except that nazi who was in that camp w Corrie ten Boom when her sister got killed. He asked her after a sermon on forgiveness in Germany after the war if she wanted to forgive him. She didn't really feel like it but she chose to.
I thought what he said was great but then you see himself in a Nazi uniform and his dad was a nazi and he's accusing Trump.

Every sin may be forgiven and every sinner has a hope of heaven when he/she comes to Christ for forgiveness without deception. Even Adolf Hitler could have repented and God promises forgiveness to those who repent. But many who do such terrible things never find a way to repent and somehow harden themselves against every appeal to repent. Donald is not a Nazi (as far as I know) but his public statements do not comfort those who fear racism and what he says ought to comfort them because it is a central part of every national leader's work to speak words that improve their nation and encourage goodness in the people. Donald is not doing that. His public statements make people fear for their future and the future of the nation.

 

[Stravinsk]

It strikes me as I read this thread that those who use Hitler as their whacking stick in arguments or for personal attacks are among the most indoctrinated and ignorant among us - with the weakest positions.

Over the last year I've been looking into what the detractors say about the Holocaust. I've come to the conclusion that some of the things they say do have merit. Of course - for the above and other reasons, most people don't have the guts to have an honest look. After all, their government head job educations told them flat earth was the stupidest theory around, and Hitler was the most evil man in history. Much of their viewing entertainment also depends on these ideas. Yerrrp.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It strikes me as I read this thread that those who use Hitler as their whacking stick in arguments or for personal attacks are among the most indoctrinated and ignorant among us - with the weakest positions. ...

It is the white supremacists who use Adolf Hitler in their words, politics, salutes, and symbols. Their position is very weak but they do not acknowledge it. Neo-Nazis deserve condemnation for their politics. They are explicitly racist and anti-Jewish. One ought to condemn their stated views.

 

[tango]

It is the white supremacists who use Adolf Hitler in their words, politics, salutes, and symbols. Their position is very weak but they do not acknowledge it. Neo-Nazis deserve condemnation for their politics. They are explicitly racist and anti-Jewish. One ought to condemn their stated views.

I'm not sure your reply addresses the issue. The issue of whether or not racism and anti-Semitism are morally acceptable positions isn't really anything to do with the issue that those who are quick to compare others to Hitler typically have a weak position.

For what it's worth I don't see any merit in the stance that whites are superior to other races (and I write as a white person) but to point out the weakness of an unrelated party's stance doesn't really address that.

 

[tango]

Except that nazi who was in that camp w Corrie ten Boom when her sister got killed. He asked her after a sermon on forgiveness in Germany after the war if she wanted to forgive him. She didn't really feel like it but she chose to.
I thought what he said was great but then you see himself in a Nazi uniform and his dad was a nazi and he's accusing Trump.

From what I recall of Corrie ten Boom's book she described meeting an SS officer who had been one of the guards in the camp where she was kept (and had possibly been responsible for at least some of her mistreatment), knowing she was supposed to forgive him but finding herself unable to do so. Her prayer was something along the lines of "God, I cannot forgive this man, give me your forgiveness". If I recall she described a huge sense of release when she decided to shake his hand and extend that forgiveness to him.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I'm not sure your reply addresses the issue. The issue of whether or not racism and anti-Semitism are morally acceptable positions isn't really anything to do with the issue that those who are quick to compare others to Hitler typically have a weak position.

For what it's worth I don't see any merit in the stance that whites are superior to other races (and I write as a white person) but to point out the weakness of an unrelated party's stance doesn't really address that.

The white supremacists compare themselves to Adolf Hitler and see them selves as lesser followers of a great moral leader so of course Adolf Hitler comes into the discussion because he is central to the thinking of Neo Nazis as well as many others who advocate for white supremacy.

 

[tango]

The ones who complain are the ones on welfare cause the country got more right and people are used to be taken care of by the govt and now they have to share w people who come from a war country. The rich don't complain much about em. It doesn't cost em anything extra and they still live in a nice house. Thing is, the govt is unfair. A person who's too lazy to work and on pot gets a nice cheap big house and car and I work, have 3 kids and live in a 1 bedroom apt w 3 and a complaining neighbour who wants the kids to be quiet. It has nothing to do with the refugees. The country just isn't rich enough anymore to let everyone live in luxury. In the seventies you could just sit on your butt if you were too lazy to work and have a nice income. Ppl didnt want to do the dirty jobs, so they let the Moroccans come over to do the clean up jobs and now the Moroccans think: hey you just sit back and get paid, that's easy, why shouldn't I do that? And now some want those jobless problem making Moroccans out. If they hadn't been lazy in the first place they wouldn't even have come. Same w slaves. Lazy white people let the blacks do their dirty jobs and now the descendants complain about em. Their grand grandparents created the problem.

I guess it depends where you live.

As you say if the local people were willing to do the work there wouldn't be the need for immigrant labor but then you hear people turning down work because they don't want to work with immigrants.

From my experience the people most likely to complain about an excessive number of immigrants (beside the right wing press, which is somewhat predictable) are those dealing with increased crime, those dealing with areas where English is a minority language, and those believing they are paying a higher tax burden to support them. It doesn't help when immigrants commit serious crimes but apparently can't be deported because it would violate their human rights but, as with so much else, it's about striking a balance between protecting the rights of all and being willing to deport an immigrant (however such deportation might end) if they repay their host nation's kindness by committing brutal and heinous crimes.

 

[Imalive]

It strikes me as I read this thread that those who use Hitler as their whacking stick in arguments or for personal attacks are among the most indoctrinated and ignorant among us - with the weakest positions.

Over the last year I've been looking into what the detractors say about the Holocaust. I've come to the conclusion that some of the things they say do have merit. Of course - for the above and other reasons, most people don't have the guts to have an honest look. After all, their government head job educations told them flat earth was the stupidest theory around, and Hitler was the most evil man in history. Much of their viewing entertainment also depends on these ideas. Yerrrp.

WWII was a false flag.

 

[psalms 91]

WWII was a false flag.

How so? Many died foir that cause and without the war and America entering in we would probably all be speaking German and the Jews would no lionger be here

 

[Imalive]

How so? Many died foir that cause and without the war and America entering in we would probably all be speaking German and the Jews would no lionger be here

It was my stupid sarcasm sorry. I started to believe all that stuff from false flags and then luckily i found Snopes. How ppl can deny the holocaust is a mystery to me. Everyone had em in their house here and saw em get taken away. My uncle was in a camp for hiding Jews.

 

[psalms 91]

It was my stupid sarcasm sorry. I started to believe all that stuff from false flags and then luckily i found Snopes. How ppl can deny the holocaust is a mystery to me. Everyone had em in their house here and saw em get taken away. My uncle was in a camp for hiding Jews.

I congratulate you and your family for their bravery and sacrifice. It is a shame that people refuse to believe facts and proven outcomes but we see a few crazies that do exactly that and if you threaten their misguided beliefs, well we have seen it here on this board

 

[Stravinsk]

It was my stupid sarcasm sorry. I started to believe all that stuff from false flags and then luckily i found Snopes. How ppl can deny the holocaust is a mystery to me. Everyone had em in their house here and saw em get taken away. My uncle was in a camp for hiding Jews.

When you can overestimate victims by 2.5 million so easily...and no one bats an eye...

Snopes is a horrible go to for information, btw.

 

[Stravinsk]

Btw - "holocaust denier" is a misnomer. The people don't say that their weren't concentration camps or that people died.

Instead, they dispute:

A) The number of people that died
B) How they died, and why
C) What the "death camps" really were

They also tend to bring in historical context to people who are blindly led to believe that WW2 was all about race and eradication of Jews and some others. The main thrust of "Jew Hatred" was towards the International Financiers, many of whom are nominally Jewish. It was these people that turned on Germany after WW1 and large financial institutions (again, largely jewish) who were suffocating the country economically after this first world war.


Now, regarding psalm's statement above. It is a FACT of history that the number at Auschwitz was reduced by 2.5 million people, the majority of whom were supposed to be Jewish. And yet, if you deny the official count of "6 million Jews" you are universally hated, and in some countries can be thrown in jail.

You want to call me stupid. You want to say I'm "crazy", you go right ahead.

It's not me that has deal with the cognitive dissonance of holding to the "6 million" number while also claiming to be able to do BASIC MATH.

 

[Lamb]

This thread should be about the Charlottesville rally, racism and the confederate monuments. Maybe create a new thread, Strav?

 

[Stravinsk]

This thread should be about the Charlottesville rally, racism and the confederate monuments. Maybe create a new thread, Strav?

The Nazis and white supremacy (as well as Hitler) kept coming up. As racism is usually tied to that government at that time (even though Jews aren't a "race") I felt it worth posting some facts of history that are missed in most of the War narratives and fictional works. Germany, as a nation was a beaten down power post WW1 -many people were starving and the country had mass inflation and debt they couldn't pay. This wasn't their fault - but entirely the fault of the International Financiers who had declared an economic war on Germany long before military actions were taken by the Nazis.

Hitler and the Nazi party are often used as "thought stoppers" because of the Holocaust. Stupid movies and dishonest narratives often paint the Allied forces in an angelic light - saviors of humanity or some such crap. This thread may be about Charlottesville - but these themes keep and kept coming up by certain posters.

For the record, I am no racist and I think that the people flying Nazi flags thinking that he was a hero for purely a race cause are misled and their position (at least insofar as Germany WW2 goes) is way over stated.

 

[Josiah]

IMO, the "White Supremists" and "Neo-Nazis" and the "pro eliminate-everything-associated-with-slavary" people who illegally CRASHED the gathering (often with the Press in tow and occasionally with weapons) is not the issue. EVERYONE (including Trump) powerfully and absolutely CONDEMNED and repudiated racism, anti-Judaism, Nazism - Trump did, Obama did (they both used identical language to do this). NO Republican politician and NO Democrat politician - on any level - stated their support for the beliefs of Nazis or Racists or anti-Judaism. NO ONE. And while some seemed to ignore that only one part of this actually was LEGALLY gathering where LEGALLY permitted (all the others - including the "Black Lives Matter" folks - were there illegally).


IMO, this all got twisted into yet another "ANTI-TRUMP" thing because while his condemnation was identical to that of Obama, the press chose to largely ignore it and suggest that Trump had his fingers crossed when he said it. And because Trump - obviously referring to those who came to peacefully (even if illegally) exercise their freedom of speech ("Good people on both sides") - this was transferred to another context so that Trump was reported to state: "Racism is good and therefore racists are good, Nazi's are therefore good people" (which of course would be an absolute contradiction to what he actually said so that he actually said was largely ignored or reported as Trump lying because Trump is anti-African American and anti-Jew).


Look..... I didn't vote for Trump, I have NO INTENTION of ever voting for him, I don't like him, I think he is in self-destruction, I'm embarrassed my party actually nominated him..... and I think he was WAY TOO SLOW to respond here and he worded all this in his usual BAD way (he needs a speech writer like all previous presidents since Eisenhower have had). But I think what the Press and much of the Left did here is pretty obvious and transparent and hypocritical..... and it bothers me that so many have swallowed it. There IS bad stuff the press could ACCURATELY report, this is twisted absurdity, it is what some are calling "fake news". I would think the Left (and their allies, the Press) would have enough to destroy Trump without having to do this sort of unfair absurdity.



- Josiah

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

I won't link it here due to profanity, but the first five minutes or so are quite telling:

https: // www dot youtube dot com / watch?v= mvAUZa9y1ag&t= 300s

 

[Stravinsk]

I won't link it here due to profanity, but the first five minutes or so are quite telling:

https: // www dot youtube dot com / watch?v= mvAUZa9y1ag&t= 300s

Referring to first 5 minutes or so? It's pretty sad and I think some of this stems from the poison that is 3rd wave radical feminism. It seems to be the ingredient that sets off all kinds of crazy in people. The level of super stupid rises by triple digit percentage points.