ROMANS 11 WHO IS THE WILD OLIVE TREE?

[RichWh1]

No way is my argument circular.

YOU SAID God SAVES UNBELIEVERS.

Others here THAT AGREE WITH YOU AND WITH WHOM YOU AGREE SAY that God regenerates us first so that we can believe.

I prove with scripture that it is false.

Now EXPLAIN HOW WE ARE SAVED.

You misunderstood me TOTALLY!! God gives us all a measure of faith so we can believe.
I never said there is salvation apart from faith!


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[RichWh1]

if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for “ Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Romans 10:9,13



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[YourTruthGod]

Where does it say you gave yourself faith to believe?

Matthew 8:10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith.

Jesus said he had not found such great faith in Israel.

Do you think he manufactured it in him and is now acting amazed at it?

 

[Lamb]

Matthew 8:10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith.

Jesus said he had not found such great faith in Israel.

Do you think he manufactured it in him and is now acting amazed at it?

That in no way backs up what you claim. Not at all. I ask again Where does it say you gave yourself faith to believe?

 

[YourTruthGod]

if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for “ Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Romans 10:9,13



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So that is how God saves unbelievers?

Looks like they had to believe first before they can be saved!

 

[YourTruthGod]

That in no way backs up what you claim. Not at all. I ask again Where does it say you gave yourself faith to believe?

Please answer the question I asked you.

 

[YourTruthGod]

You misunderstood me TOTALLY!! God gives us all a measure of faith so we can believe.
I never said there is salvation apart from faith!


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YOU SAID GOD ONLY SAVES UNBELIEVERS.

 

[Lamb]

Please answer the question I asked you.

You first.

 

[RichWh1]

YOU SAID GOD ONLY SAVES UNBELIEVERS.

And YOU misunderstood what I had meant by those words!!


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[YourTruthGod]

You first.

I love to keep proving what I believe with scripture.

Here is another one:

Mark 11:22 "Have faith in God," Jesus answered.

 

[RichWh1]

So that is how God saves unbelievers?

Looks like they had to believe first before they can be saved!

You are making this more difficult than it should have been! I don't know if it's a lack of understanding or just a miscommunication of language


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[YourTruthGod]

And YOU misunderstood what I had meant by those words!!


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Okay then, does God save us after we believe?

 

[YourTruthGod]

You are making this more difficult than it should have been! I don't know if it's a lack of understanding or just a miscommunication of language


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Just because you don't see the importance doesn't mean it isn't important.

People here are going against me for saying WE have to have faith and repent of our sins BEFORE we are regenerated with the Holy Spirit.

 

[RichWh1]

Okay then, does God save us after we believe?

God saves us when we believe
There IS no before or after in reference to God and salvation


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[YourTruthGod]

God saves us when we believe
There IS. I before or after in reference to God and salvation


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What?

 

[RichWh1]

Read my post. I corrected the error (typo)


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[YourTruthGod]

God saves us when we believe
There IS no before or after in reference to God and salvation


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What? There is no before or after?

You just can't stop from adding things that contradict what you say.

Now do you want to tell me how we get belief/faith?

And, are you admitting you made a mistake when you said God saves unbelievers?

Are you going to admit that I did not misunderstand you as you kept claiming?

 

[RichWh1]

YTG
You just want to argue, not search for the truth!


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[YourTruthGod]

YTG
You just want to argue, not search for the truth!


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I have the truth. You are the one who makes false statements about the Bible and me.

 

[MoreCoffee]

YTG
You just want to argue, not search for the truth!


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You know that the Truth is Jesus Christ, right? He said something along the lines of I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life ...

If someone has the truth then they may be saying that they are in the body of Jesus Christ. And if someone says they are searching for the truth they may mean that they are not entirely sure that they are in the body of Christ. It's interesting to consider which may be the operative principle under which each chatter works on this matter. Which do you think is your operative principle?