ROMANS 11 WHO IS THE WILD OLIVE TREE?

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Then prove it to me and give the scripture that says God saves unbelievers.

Were you born a believer? Or did you become a believer?
If you were not born a believer, and are a believer now, then God saved you as an unbeliever ! It's called logic

For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 5:6-8 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Romans 5:6-8&version=NASB


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Were you born a believer? Or did you become a believer?
If you were not born a believer, and are a believer now, then God saved you as an unbeliever ! It's called logic

For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 5:6-8 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Romans 5:6-8&version=NASB


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That does NOT say we don't have to believe in God to get saved; and it doesn't say we don't have to repent to get saved.
 

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That does NOT say we don't have to believe in God to get saved; and it doesn't say we don't have to repent to get saved.

Did I ever say that you don't have to believe to be saved?? No I did not!!
Before one is saved that person is unsaved! The ungodly are unsaved!


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Did I ever say that you don't have to believe to be saved?? No I did not!!
Before one is saved that person is unsaved! The ungodly are unsaved!


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YOU SAID GOD SAVES ONLY UNBELIEVERS!!!

You preach falseness.
 

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God does NOT regenerate unbelievers!

That is a false teaching that is NOWHERE in the Bible.
 

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Man can't regenerate himself.

God regenerates us with the Holy Spirit AFTER we believe and repent and call on Him.

NO scripture ANYWHERE in the Bible says that God regenerates us with the Holy Spirit first before we believe and repent, thus saving us before we believe and repent of our sins.

Give me the scripture so that I can believe it; if not, why would anyone keep believing and preaching things that are not from God?
 

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God regenerates us with the Holy Spirit AFTER we believe and repent and call on Him.

NO scripture ANYWHERE in the Bible says that God regenerates us with the Holy Spirit first before we believe and repent, thus saving us before we believe and repent of our sins.

Give me the scripture so that I can believe it; if not, why would anyone keep believing and preaching things that are not from God?

How can you believe without having faith first that is given to you by God? Unbelievers don't believe in God. They can only believe when God gives them faith. Man can't save himself.
 

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How can you believe without having faith first that is given to you by God? Unbelievers don't believe in God. They can only believe when God gives them faith. Man can't save himself.

Why won't you give the scripture?

Faith comes in a very human way. It comes from being persuaded and convinced.

Now I want the scripture that says God regenerates people while they are unbelievers and unrepentant sinners.
 

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Why won't give the scripture?

Faith comes in a very human way. It comes from being persuaded and convinced.

Now I want the scripture that says God regenerates people while they are unbelievers and unrepentant sinners.

What were you before you were a believer?
Did Christ die for you?

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What were you before you were a believer?
Did Christ die for you?

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I was taught to believe in Jesus as an infant.

I was taught by my parents.

You shouldn't keep asking me if Christ died for me.

It should be obvious by now that I say Christ died for all.

Now please give the scripture that I asked for.
 

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Why won't you give the scripture?

Faith comes in a very human way. It comes from being persuaded and convinced.

Now I want the scripture that says God regenerates people while they are unbelievers and unrepentant sinners.

Unbelievers don't believe. Only GOD can turn them to Him by faith. Then they are believers.
 

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Ephesians 2 and Romans 5 have been shared, proving that God chooses to redeem/save the unbeliever and give them the faith to believe. Multiple person's have shown this truth. It is clear that YTG is obstinantly and stubbornly opposing God's truth as it does not fit the narrative he has created for himself. There is no more to say.
 

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Ephesians 2 and Romans 5 have been shared, proving that God chooses to redeem/save the unbeliever and give them the faith to believe. Multiple person's have shown this truth. It is clear that YTG is obstinantly and stubbornly opposing God's truth as it does not fit the narrative he has created for himself. There is no more to say.

NO scripture says what you claim.

Your beliefs are not there.

You have to claim it says something it does not.

God is not cruel and ironic regenerating people to believe and obey so that they are saved before they are saved by believing and obeying.
 

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Unbelievers don't believe. Only GOD can turn them to Him by faith. Then they are believers.

No such scripture.

Unbelievers HAVE TO believe to get saved.
 

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NO scripture says what you claim.

Your beliefs are not there.

You have to claim it says something it does not.

God is not cruel and ironic regenerating people to believe and obey so that they are saved before they are saved by believing and obeying.
Multiple people have proved you wrong. Look elsewhere for crutch.
 

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Where does it say you gave yourself faith to believe?

There is no such scripture or teaching from God that says He saves unbelievers and causes them to believe without their knowing or wanting.

Faith is from God, from reading His powerful message, the Bible, the New Testament. It has the powerful message that saves. We do not get faith supernaturally, as many teach, but we get faith in a very human way, from reading the supernatural message!

Acts 11:14 He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.'


We must have knowledge of God to have faith in Him.


2 Peter 1:3 His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.

Where does our faith come from? Our faith comes from HEARING the word, see Romans 10:17. From hearing the word and being TAUGHT, Colossians 1:5, 7. From continuing in what we have been CONVINCED of, see 2 Timothy 3:14, and being PERSUADED, 2 Corinthians 5:11. In Acts 26:17 Jesus tells Paul he is sending him to the Jews and Gentiles to OPEN THEIR EYES and turn them from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God. How do you think Paul is going to open the eyes of the Jews and the Gentiles? Remember, faith comes from hearing the word, and Jesus sent Paul to preach the gospel. 1 Corinthians 1:18 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel–not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

Paul is going to open their eyes by preaching to them.
Nowhere anywhere do scriptures say they are given the Holy Spirit BEFORE they hear the message and are taught and convinced and persuaded

Read what Paul says in Romans 16:25-27. Now to him who is able to ESTABLISH YOU BY MY GOSPEL AND THE PROCLAMATION OF JESUS CHRIST, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now revealed and MADE KNOWN THROUGH THE PROPHETIC WRITINGS by the command of the eternal God, SO THAT ALL NATIONS MIGHT BELIEVE AND OBEY HIM–to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.

Paul says that God made the prophetic writings known so that all nations might believe and obey. So again, the word of God tells us that faith comes from hearing. Here are more scriptures that explain how we have to HEAR the message that saves: Acts 8:31: 10:14; 11:14; 16:31; John 9:36; Ephesians 1:13; 4:21; Titus 1:3; Colossians 1:5; 1:23.
 

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Miracles also helped people to believe!

If God just regenerates people to believe, then why give miracles?

Besides that question---THERE STILL IS NO SCRIPTURE ANYWHERE THAT SAYS WHAT YOU CLAIM about God regenerating people first so that they can believe.


JESUS SAID Nathanael BELIEVED because Jesus told him he saw him under the fig tree. JESUS said that was WHY NATHANAEL BELIEVED. See John 1:50.


This, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed at Cana in Galilee. He thus revealed his glory, and his disciples put their faith in him. See John 2:11


After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken. See John 2:22.

Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name. John 2:23.


Then the father realized that this was the exact time at which Jesus had said to him, “Your son will live.” So he and all his household believed. John 4:53


Still, many in the crowd put their faith in him. They said, “When the Christ comes, will he do more miraculous signs than this man?” John 7:31.


Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. John 10:37.


But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” John 10:38.

and for your sake I am glad I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.” John 11:15.

I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.” John 11:42.

Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God.” John 16:30.

So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it.” John 20:25.


Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” John 20:27.


Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman’s testimony, “He told me everything I ever did.” John 4:39.

And because of his words many more became believers. John 4:41.

They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.” John 4:42.

“Unless you people see miraculous signs and wonders,” Jesus told him, “you will never believe.” John 4:48.

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. John 20:31.


God TESTIFIED to what Jesus and the Apostles said. God testified to what they said by the signs and miracles.

Many came to believe in Jesus because of the miracles.

Hebrews 2:4 God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.

Acts 14:3
So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to perform signs and wonders.
 

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John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.


What do you think? Do you think those who repent of their sins please Jesus more than those who do not? Of course that is why Jesus is pleased to give salvation to those he gives it. What do you think?
 
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