Will I be held accountable?

[MoreCoffee]

Will I be held accountable for what I've said and done to hurt others?

Yes you will be, and that cannot be changed yet God is merciful and his love is fierce - a burning passion that very likely is what 'purgatory' is about being a burning fire that cleanses and purifies leaving only the good behind - it is because God's love is so fierce that cultivating the good in yourself and leaving the wicked and regrettable behind is so necessary. Our calling is to be made ready for the wedding feast of the Lamb of God. We cannot profitably spend our lives regretting what is done and unchangeable but we can strive to be faithful now and plan to be faithful in the future, that is what conversion means - changing from what is unlovely to what will become lovely by God's merciful grace.

 

[MoreCoffee]

How can I forgive myself?

You do not get to be the one who forgives, That is God's role and the cross is a sign of just how far God is willing to go in order to make his forgiveness visible and available to us all. Saint Paul urges "whatever is good, lovely, holy etcetera ... think on these things" and I agree, the past is no longer open to us once it is past but what we do NOW is something we have power to influence so think of the good NOW and let the past with its sorrows slowly recede as you walk with God in the now.

 

[Alithis]

Will I be held accountable for what I've said and done to hurt others?

Yes you will be, and that cannot be changed yet God is merciful and his love is fierce - a burning passion that very likely is what 'purgatory' is about being a burning fire that cleanses and purifies leaving only the good behind - it is because God's love is so fierce that cultivating the good in yourself and leaving the wicked and regrettable behind is so necessary. Our calling is to be made ready for the wedding feast of the Lamb of God. We cannot profitably spend our lives regretting what is done and unchangeable but we can strive to be faithful now and plan to be faithful in the future, that is what conversion means - changing from what is unlovely to what will become lovely by God's merciful grace.

this is a false doctrine .purgatory is not in the Bible is not taught by the lord Jesus is not preached by the apostles and has no place in chrsitian faith it is false and a LIE .

without repentance there is no forgivness of sin -the Lord Jesus said repentance for the forgivness of sin is to be preached . to convert we must repent of what we were , if we do not repent and we die in the unrepentant practice of sin-we perish. yes you wil be held to account.. for every word we speak.. and speaking lies is no exception. you must repent of these false doctrines which oppose the Lord Jesus.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes, we will be held accountable for everything we speak

 

[TurtleHare]

We are accountable yet don't you believe that you are covered by Christ's righteousness and that because he died in your place on the cross that your sins are forgiven? When God asks the Christian what he has done or not done, are we not supposed to rely in faith that Jesus has our back or was his death for nothing?

 

[Alithis]

We are accountable yet don't you believe that you are covered by Christ's righteousness and that because he died in your place on the cross that your sins are forgiven? When God asks the Christian what he has done or not done, are we not supposed to rely in faith that Jesus has our back or was his death for nothing?

sure we are covered ,as long as we acknowledge our error and repent of it and do not continue in the error . that what the Holy Spirit does in us ,always leading us into truth . repentance is a constant state of following and obeying . Once an error is made clear to us in our life .. we follow his leading and turn away from that error . ( the other option is to rebel but rebellion takes us the opposite Direction)
it is why i reply with overt harshness on the topic of purgatory that was snuck into the topic . we know it is not scriptural we know it is an error -to continue to promote it ,is to willfully continue in error -it misses the mark of the truth and to miss the mark is the meaning of the word "sin"

 

[MoreCoffee]

Be careful not to miss the wood for the trees ... this thread is about accountability not purgatory

 

[Alithis]

a lie remains a lie .if its about accountability then why mention it purgatory at all .in line with the topic -yes you will be held accountable -every one of us will give account

 

[popsthebuilder]

We are accountable yet don't you believe that you are covered by Christ's righteousness and that because he died in your place on the cross that your sins are forgiven? When God asks the Christian what he has done or not done, are we not supposed to rely in faith that Jesus has our back or was his death for nothing?

His death was for the payment of sin, that we might separate it from us and walk upright with confidence by his example, teachings, and sacrifice. Without what Jesus did on every level, we would have no knowledge of God's mercy or the narrow path that leads home.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[kiwimac]

Depends on whether we concentrate on God's love / mercy or judgement.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Is God's love, mercy, and justice separable considering that we believe in one God who does not change and who is not divisible nor made of parts?

 

[pinacled]

1 Timothy 1

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.


Who are these 2?

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_timothy/1-20.htm


"This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme" (I Timothy 1:18-20).

"And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some" (II Timothy 2:17-18).

"Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm. May the Lord repay him according to his works. You also must beware of him, for he has greatly resisted our words" (II Timothy 4:14-15).

 

[Lamb]

Will I be held accountable for what I've said and done to hurt others?

Yes you will be, and that cannot be changed yet God is merciful and his love is fierce - a burning passion that very likely is what 'purgatory' is about being a burning fire that cleanses and purifies leaving only the good behind - it is because God's love is so fierce that cultivating the good in yourself and leaving the wicked and regrettable behind is so necessary. Our calling is to be made ready for the wedding feast of the Lamb of God. We cannot profitably spend our lives regretting what is done and unchangeable but we can strive to be faithful now and plan to be faithful in the future, that is what conversion means - changing from what is unlovely to what will become lovely by God's merciful grace.

Since you said this is about accountability and not purgatory...

The Law says that we will be held accountable for all our doings.

The Gospel says that we are covered in Christ's righteousness.

Which one are you going for? I for one will stick with being covered under Christ since all those since I'm being held accountable for were nailed to the cross and I'm forgiven.

 

[psalms 91]

Since you said this is about accountability and not purgatory...

The Law says that we will be held accountable for all our doings.

The Gospel says that we are covered in Christ's righteousness.

Which one are you going for? I for one will stick with being covered under Christ since all those since I'm being held accountable for were nailed to the cross and I'm forgiven.

covered yes, but not a license to do what we want to anuyone we want. There are two judgement seats and I think that is part of what is confusing, if not saved we go to the Great White Thrione judgement where we will have our whole life reviewed and the punishment is hell but if saved we go to the Judgement Seat of Christ where we will answer for all our bad actions and thoughts and lose reward because ofit and recieve crowns if warranted which we will throw at Christs feet because we know that we are not worthy and it is only through Him that we can do any of these things

 

[pinacled]

Be careful not to miss the wood for the trees ... this thread is about accountability not purgatory

And what of the wood?
Within the grain of your own words purgatory was mentioned.
How can you expect anyone to dismiss them when you have not?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Since you said this is about accountability and not purgatory...

The Law says that we will be held accountable for all our doings.

The Gospel says that we are covered in Christ's righteousness.

Which one are you going for? I for one will stick with being covered under Christ since all those since I'm being held accountable for were nailed to the cross and I'm forgiven.

Do you think that accountability excludes grace or that grace excludes accountability? Can both be operative? What do you make of Matthew chapter 25?

 

[Alithis]

Depends on whether we concentrate on God's love / mercy or judgement.

so perhaps you suggest the word of God and truth have nothing to do with it ?

as always let us have a look at what the word says

The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil. But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

 

[Josiah]

Will I be held accountable for what I've said and done to hurt others?

Yes you will be, and that cannot be changed yet God is merciful and his love is fierce - a burning passion that very likely is what 'purgatory' is about being a burning fire that cleanses and purifies leaving only the good behind - it is because God's love is so fierce that cultivating the good in yourself and leaving the wicked and regrettable behind is so necessary. Our calling is to be made ready for the wedding feast of the Lamb of God. We cannot profitably spend our lives regretting what is done and unchangeable but we can strive to be faithful now and plan to be faithful in the future, that is what conversion means - changing from what is unlovely to what will become lovely by God's merciful grace.

I don't think ANY among us can simply exempt self (uniquely) from accountability - self insisting that self alone is "infallible" (thus unaccountable) and that when self (uniquely) speaks ergo God Himself is speaking and submitting. It's one of the reasons why I left the RCC and why I rejected the LDS.



Pax


- Josiah




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