What If There Was No Book Of Revelation?

[Spindle4]

If there was no Book of Revelation we wouldn't know about the 21 sets of 7 that pertain to the last days.

1. Seven Ekklesias (Asia Minor)
2. Seven Spirits (Throne)
3. Seven Golden Lampstands (Ekklesia Illuminators)
4. Seven Stars (Ekklesia Angels)
5. Seven Angels (Stars)
6. Seven Letters (Ekklesia Epistles)
7. Seven Lamps of Fire (Spirits of God)
8. Seven Seals (Scrolls)
9. Seven Horns (Lamb)
10. Seven Eyes (Lamb)
11. Seven Heavenly Acclamations (Host of Heaven)
12. Seven Trumpet Angels (Throne)
13. Seven Thunders (Land-Sea Stance)
14. Seven Heads (Dragon Devil)
15. Seven Crowns (Dragon Devil)
16. Seven Heads (Metaphorical Sea Beast)
17. Seven Sixes (42 Beast-Power-Months)
18. Seven Plague Angels (Temple)
19. Seven Wrath Vials (Bowls)
20. Seven Metaphorical Mountains (Kingdoms)
21. Seven Controlling Kings (Oppressors)

 

[Fritz Kobus]

If there was no book of Revelation, we would do fine in knowing what we need to know to be saved and many would be out of money for not being able to publish books with wild speculations about Revelation.

 

[Josiah]

If there was no book of Revelation, we would do fine in knowing what we need to know to be saved and many would be out of money for not being able to publish books with wild speculations about Revelation.

I agree... not one doctrine depends on something in this Book. That does NOT mean that it's not the inerrant, divinely inscripturated word of God or should not be read and used, only that if it was missing, no doctrine would be impacted.

This Book has been controvrsal... it is one of the "Antilegomena" books of the NT (the word means "spoken against"), books that until perhaps 400 years ago were considered LESS canonical than the others (Called homologoumena). There are 7 Antigomena books: Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, Jude, 2 and 3 John, and Revelation. It was at times not included in lectionaries. But it certainly was accepted as Scripture - just less canonical, less useful in the norming of doctrine, higher than deuterocanonical but less than fully canonical. This distinction disappeared after the Reformation.

Historically, worship was highly inspired by the Book - if not doctrine.



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[atpollard]

If there was no book of Revelation, we would do fine in knowing what we need to know to be saved and many would be out of money for not being able to publish books with wild speculations about Revelation.

They still have Daniel to wildly speculate from.

 

[Andrew]

They still have Daniel to wildly speculate from.

Not really

Subject for another time?

 

[Origen]

They still have Daniel to wildly speculate from.

 

[Andrew]

Well aparently "The Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ to John of Patmos" has no important use or value for Christians today because it's too cOnFuSInG

Sure it's second to The Gospel, but it's DIVINE REVELATION! I mean, the Angel explains what the symbols mean and the seven kings along with there prophesied chronology is now recorded history! Just like Daniel is to Antiochus.

We simply lost the understanding in time, but the wisdom still applies to all Christians for all time.

I blame the confusion many have today on the charlatans and fanatical doomsday cults and insane theories we have been bombarded with... studying early Christian history and ancient Rome would have prevented much of the nonsense.

-partial preterist/amillenialist

 

[Fritz Kobus]

Well aparently "The Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ to John of Patmos" has no important use or value for Christians today because it's too cOnFuSInG

Not confusing at all if viewed in the context it was written, as a prophecy to the 1st century church that was to be fulfilled very soon. Its relevance to us today is similar to that of the book of Daniel.

Read "When the Man Comes Around" a commentary on Revelation (not about the Johnny Cash song of same name).
https://www.amazon.com/When-Man-Comes-Around-Commentary/dp/1947644920

 

[Andrew]

Not confusing at all if viewed in the context it was written, as a prophecy to the 1st century church that was to be fulfilled very soon. Its relevance to us today is similar to that of the book of Daniel.

Read "When the Man Comes Around" a commentary on Revelation (not about the Johnny Cash song of same name).
https://www.amazon.com/When-Man-Comes-Around-Commentary/dp/1947644920

I think that if Revelation wasn't included in the closing of the NT, the Bible would be subject to add ons, say.. for example The Book of Mormon (hypothetically) could have found its way in.. also it's not only prophetic, there is a lot of necessary wisdom in there, without this book the early Churches may have folded in due to fear of death and confusion as to why God had not warned of mass persecutions under the emperors of Rome.. this book is indeed a blessing now as it was then... in my humble opinion

 

[Spindle4]

I think that if Revelation wasn't included in the closing of the NT, the Bible would be subject to add ons, say.. for example The Book of Mormon (hypothetically) could have found its way in.. also it's not only prophetic, there is a lot of necessary wisdom in there, without this book the early Churches may have folded in due to fear of death and confusion as to why God had not warned of mass persecutions under the emperors of Rome.. this book is indeed a blessing now and it was then... in my humble opinion

Agreed. As prophecy goes, biblical or otherwise, I get the strong impression that Revelation is unsurpassable for conceptualism, imagery, and numerology.

 

[NathanH83]

If the 7 times the Israelites walked around the city of Jericho and then marched around 7 times on the 7th day is symbolic of Revelation passage where there’s 7 bowls and in the 7th bowl there’s 7 seals and in the 7th seal there’s 7 trumpets and within the 7th trumpets there’s 7 and so on in Revelation and the 7 golden lamp stands which represents the 7 churches in Asia and the 7 eyes of the living creatures then I think we can agree that the Revelation of John in the New Testament has the patterns we see in the Old Testament in regards to the sevens and the sequences and systems of 7 as in God’s design.

 

[Spindle4]

If the 7 times the Israelites walked around the city of Jericho and then marched around 7 times on the 7th day is symbolic of Revelation passage where there’s 7 bowls and in the 7th bowl there’s 7 seals and in the 7th seal there’s 7 trumpets and within the 7th trumpets there’s 7 and so on in Revelation and the 7 golden lamp stands which represents the 7 churches in Asia and the 7 eyes of the living creatures then I think we can agree that the Revelation of John in the New Testament has the patterns we see in the Old Testament in regards to the sevens and the sequences and systems of 7 as in God’s design.

Yes, to be specific the 7 circuits on the 7th day plus the 6 days of one circuit each total 13 circuits, but as you rightly alude to, it is the cadence of the 7th iteration producing a new series of 7, both at Jericho and in Revelation, that is significant. The 7th day in the Creation Week forever symbolises rest from work due to its "perfect completion".

• Rev 8:1-2 When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. (2) I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.
• Rev 11:15 The seventh angel sounded, and great voices in heaven followed, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord, and of his Christ. He will reign forever and ever!”
• Rev 15:1 I saw another great and marvelous sign in the sky: seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them God’s wrath is finished.
• Rev 16:17 The seventh poured out his bowl into the air. A loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, “It is done!”