The Son of God BEFORE His Incarnation

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John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.....
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? KJV

Now before we begin to see His words in the N.T. with the O.T., here are His words proving that was not the Father men had seen in the Old Testament.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. KJV

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. KJV

Okay. Now Jesus's own words in being the God men had seen in the O.T., including Abraham himself.

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. ~ KJV

Genesis 12:7 And the Lord appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the Lord, who appeared unto him. KJV

Genesis 17:1And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. KJV

Genesis 18:1And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; KJV

That was when He ate & drank with Abraham & told his wife she will have a son.

The Lord appeared unto Isaac.

Genesis 26:1 And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar. 2 And the Lord appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of: KJV

The Lord appeared unto Jacob & wrestled with him face to face & Jacob lived.

Genesis 32:24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. 25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. 26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. 27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. 28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. 29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. 30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. ~ KJV

So Jesus had a celestial body as God before He gave it up to be incarnated as the Son of Man to give His life as a ransom for many. Now He is the fiirstfruit of the resurrection in Whom we have hope in bringing us Home by His righteousness & His faithfulness.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. ~ KJV

So these are some of the scriptures tying Jesus as the God men had seen in the O.T. by His words in the N.T. & the words of the O.T.
 

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Yes, Jesus preexisted ....
John 17:5 nails it.

But there are MANY that support this position of historic, orthodox Christian faith. Among them: John 3:13, John 6:33, John 6:38, John 6:62, John 8:23, John 8:58-59, John 16:28, Romans 8:3 and many, many more.

The Two Natures of Christ are inseparable (not blended but inseparable). Obviously, there is great mystery here... how the PERSON of JESUS could preexist His incarnation, but it's a function of the "Communication of Attributes" and like all aspects of that, is MYSTERY. Heretics who deny the Two Natures of Christ and Egotists who hold that God is subject to their own intelligence, 0f course will deny this reality.




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Yes, Jesus preexisted ....
John 17:5 nails it.

But there are MANY that support this position of historic, orthodox Christian faith. Among them: John 3:13, John 6:33, John 6:38, John 6:62, John 8:23, John 8:58-59, John 16:28, Romans 8:3 and many, many more..
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. KJV

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. KJV

John 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. KJV

John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? KJV

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. KJV

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. KJV

John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. KJV

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: KJV

Thanks for your contribution towards this edification in proving the deity of Christ.
 
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