The Quran supposedly being good

[whenpigsfly]

How can people say the Quran is good when it calls for killing of people?

 

[Brighten04]

How can people say the Quran is good when it calls for killing of people?

That is a very good question. I have no answer for that one. I have not read the Quran.

 

[psalms 91]

No it is not good it is demonic

 

[Alithis]

im afraid im going to remain skeptical as to the motive behind every question asked by some one sporting an atheist icon .
in that i suspect the motive is to stir ..not ask to know the answer

 

[tango]

How can people say the Quran is good when it calls for killing of people?

Let me guess, the followup is to look at the books in the Old Testament where the requirements to execute homosexuals, adulterers, children who disobey their parents etc are listed, and ask how the Bible can be said to be good?

But sticking with the Qu'ran for now. From what I gather (not being a scholar of Islam by any means) my understanding is that Mohammed had two major phases in his life that corresponded with Mecca and Medina. I forget which way round things went but after one visit he preached a message of peace and after the other he preached a message of war. There appears to be a lot of division within Islam over which overrules the other.


Put in simple terms the early Jewish people had very simple rules and very simple justice - "if someone breaks the rules, kill them". The Jews have advanced beyond that now. Christians have left the bloodier aspects of the Old Testament behind in light of Christ's commands to love. Some would argue that Islam, being a much younger religion, hasn't had chance to evolve from the simplistic "kill them" solution to breaking the rules. Others would focus on the message of peace, and still others would compare the predicted Mahdi who will usher in an Islamic Caliphate to the beast of the Revelation.

 

[popsthebuilder]

How can people say the Quran is good when it calls for killing of people?

I'll bite, sure will.

The Qur'an doesn't say to kill any but those who would kill you. More specifically those who blasheme. Those who know of the will of God yet actively go against it, bringing others with them. Ultimately the Qur'an, much like the bible speaks of mercy, and that those who are hard judges will be judges in like manner.

If you want to say the Qur'an promotes murder, then perhaps you could post or reference the verse. But be warned, taking things out of context will be addressed.

Peace.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[psalms 91]

Forget the verses, I look at the practical, in other words ISIS taliban, Iraq, Pakistan, Libia, their goals their killing of Christians because they are christian, killing of their own people, it is not hard to see what they believe

 

[tango]

Forget the verses, I look at the practical, in other words ISIS taliban, Iraq, Pakistan, Libia, their goals their killing of Christians because they are christian, killing of their own people, it is not hard to see what they believe

... except concluding the beliefs of over a billion people based on the actions of a few is unlikely to yield accurate conclusions.

 

[psalms 91]

... except concluding the beliefs of over a billion people based on the actions of a few is unlikely to yield accurate conclusions.

A few? That would be whold countries and regions and yes the rest can be held accountable if they are quiet or quietly accept what is happening. As I said a religion fromm satan and followers that are bloodthirsty

 

[Full O Beans]

How can people say the Quran is good when it calls for killing of people?

It is a demonically inspired book, and that is why you get loveless, murderous commands that remain current today, that unbelievers must be killed. There is no love in the made-up god, Allah, nor a redemption plan for all humanity.

 

[tango]

A few? That would be whold countries and regions and yes the rest can be held accountable if they are quiet or quietly accept what is happening. As I said a religion fromm satan and followers that are bloodthirsty

So you really think that all Muslims think the same way? Why do you suppose we see a tidal wave of refugees trying to escape?

Do all Christians in the USA think the same way?

 

[psalms 91]

So you really think that all Muslims think the same way? Why do you suppose we see a tidal wave of refugees trying to escape?

Do all Christians in the USA think the same way?

No I dont think they all think the same but I do think that for the most part they accept it. Those who dont get killed. As for the refugee problem have you ever asked yourself why they flood to the west rather than countruies of their own religion? I have, and the answer is disconcerting

 

[tango]

No I dont think they all think the same but I do think that for the most part they accept it. Those who dont get killed. As for the refugee problem have you ever asked yourself why they flood to the west rather than countruies of their own religion? I have, and the answer is disconcerting

If you're faced with "accept it or die" you really can't read much into people staying quiet. Staying alive is a powerful motivator.

As to why and where they flee, that really isn't related to what they believe beyond how welcoming they think their chosen host will be.

 

[Brighten04]

If you're faced with "accept it or die" you really can't read much into people staying quiet. Staying alive is a powerful motivator.
As to why and where they flee, that really isn't related to what they believe beyond how welcoming they think their chosen host will be.

So are you saying that they think the more Christian West would be more welcoming than the predominantly Muslim middle East ? Well that says a lot.

 

[psalms 91]

If you're faced with "accept it or die" you really can't read much into people staying quiet. Staying alive is a powerful motivator.

As to why and where they flee, that really isn't related to what they believe beyond how welcoming they think their chosen host will be.

Really? How many suicide bombers do you tjhink are hiden among all those refugees and I an think of many Muslim countries that would welcome thembut no, they want to come to the west,could it be to help tyurn countries muslim?

 

[Brighten04]

Iranian media outlets add to bounty for killing Britain's Rushdie
Reuters By Parisa Hafezi
4 hours ago

By Parisa Hafezi


ANKARA (Reuters) - Iranian state-run media outlets have added $600,000 to a bounty for the killing of British author Salman Rushdie imposed in 1989 over the publishing of his book "The Satanic Verses".

The leader of Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution, the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, issued a fatwa, or religious edict, that called on Muslims to the kill the author after his book was condemned as blasphemous, forcing him into years of hiding.

Iranian hardliners say Khomeini's decree is irrevocable and eternal after his death. A wealthy Iranian religious organization offered $2.7 million reward to anyone carrying out the fatwa and in 2012 it increased the amount to $3.3 million.
http://news.yahoo.com/iranian-media-outlets-add-bounty-killing-britains-rushdie-163750090.html
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I started to post this on another thread but decided it would add to this discussion.

 

[tango]

So are you saying that they think the more Christian West would be more welcoming than the predominantly Muslim middle East ? Well that says a lot.

It's hard to know why the Islamic nations aren't taking Islamic refugees. It doesn't speak well of them, that's for sure.

Neither does it speak well for the nation that claims to be a Christian nation when it looks largely willing to elect a man who wants to ban over a billion people because he is afraid of a few of them. When Jesus talked of what we do "unto the least of these" he didn't mention any exclusions.


The point I want to counter is that there is any rationality at all in assuming that over a billion people worldwide think the same as the few thousand who make it onto the front of the international news. The Muslim who goes about his day to day life much like you or I would except that he doesn't eat pork or drink alcohol and goes to a mosque instead of a church doesn't make the headlines, just as the likes of you or I don't make the news the way a group like Westboro Baptist Church does. I don't dispute there are Muslims out there who want to kill us but having lived and worked among Muslims for nearly 20 years I can say from first hand experience that I never encountered a single one of them. I walked through areas of London where just about every woman I saw was wearing a niqab and at no point did I experience any hostility at all. I worked with Muslims, I did business with Muslims, I had Muslim neighbors, and not a single one of them caused me any more concern than the people I knew from church.

In many ways it might be nice to see more moderate Muslims decrying the things done in their name. But if we want to expect that, we must be willing to make similarly public protestations at things done in the name of Christianity that we find abhorrent or it's fair game for non-Christians to assume we support them because of our silence.

 

[tango]

Really? How many suicide bombers do you tjhink are hiden among all those refugees and I an think of many Muslim countries that would welcome thembut no, they want to come to the west,could it be to help tyurn countries muslim?

How many suicide bombers do you think are hidden among the refugees? And do you think you can make the country safer by banning a billion people worldwide from entering? How do you propose to spot the radicalised ones, whether Muslims or not?

If life were as simple as "brown skin and beard = bad, no brown skin and beard = good" then I'd agree with you. But when you start to take the total shutdown approach you do the terrorists' job for them. After a blue-eyed, blonde-haired apparently all-American boy turned terrorist (I'm talking of Timothy McVeigh, if it wasn't clear) should we bar men with blue eyes and blonde hair? You know, just to be safe... you never know how many suicide bombers might be coming in disguised as tourists. For that matter, how many US citizens might have become radicalised? Maybe we should just lock everyone up in solitary, you know, to be safe.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Pretty sure everyone figured the poster to be a troll just stirring the pot.

Most Islam does not condone the terrorist acts of the radical extremests. And the worship the God of Abraham. The Qur'an really is a book centered around justice and peace and GOD. Unfortunately many have been indoctrinated by faulty interpretation of the text. I have personally read the book, and though I read the bible speaks more, the Quran is the inspired word of GOD and pretty much mirrors the bible on almost all levels. The understanding in it is from a point of law.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[whenpigsfly]

im afraid im going to remain skeptical as to the motive behind every question asked by some one sporting an atheist icon .
in that i suspect the motive is to stir ..not ask to know the answer

I could say the same for you really with how you seem to post in other thread imho lol.