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Something my dad asked me got to me.

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My dad asked me if there was no afterlife pay off would we still worship Jesus?I would. :)
 

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My dad asked me if there was no afterlife pay off would we still worship Jesus?I would. :)

Pay off? Jesus paid it off for us. I wonder why your dad would ask such a question? It isn't about our worshipping Him, it's about the forgiveness that He won for us because of His death and resurrection.
 

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I've been thinking about this question since it was posted and found that this is actually a really good question.

It does make me wonder, how many of us that call ourselves Christian would be Christian if we didn't believe we would be paid for it in the end?

Inspires quite a bit of soul searching to be honest about it, and touches every aspect of our lives.

I think only in classical Judaism (as opposed to most modern Judaic thought) and true original Stoicism do we find a profession of doing things only because they are right with no expectation of ever receiving any kind of reward for it.
 

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I think only in classical Judaism (as opposed to most modern Judaic thought) and true original Stoicism do we find a profession of doing things only because they are right with no expectation of ever receiving any kind of reward for it.

This sounds interesting. Can you go into more detail?
 

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My dad asked me if there was no afterlife pay off would we still worship Jesus?I would. :)

Here is how I see it. The Old Testament mindset was that God did not just reward His people in the afterlife, He rewarded them in the here and now. They lived by promises like those found in Deuteronomy 28, where He promised that He would bless those who kept His commandments in all ways, yet curses would befall those who did not.

Many. many. many verses on how He would give earthly blessings to those who obeyed Him, and I do not think all those promises simply disappeared with the New Covenant. The only thing people have to take into account, however, is that walking with Christ comes with persecution and opposition, and it is wiser to store up our treasures in Heaven because of it. But does that still mean He will not bless us with good things in this life; a happy marriage, blessed children or grandchildren, and beautiful home, a great church, and many other things? I think He very much can and will bless His children with these things, so to think there is no "pay off" accept in the afterlife is a little far sighted. I would have lived a much more unhappy life as a non-Christian than as a Christian, so whether I will have reward in the next life or not, I have already made the wiser choice by getting saved many years ago.
 

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This sounds interesting. Can you go into more detail?
In early classical Judaism there is no actual after life, either reward or punishment, as we are simply here from the time we are born until the time we cease at death (in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. -Genesis 3:16). The belief in a world to come is there but it isn't really seen as an afterlife thing as such where you will be.

In the original Greek Stoicism you are, basically, nothing but a part of a higher scheme in which you have a duty to play your part while you are here but are gone when you are gone, just an observer of your life while it is here. Sort of like a character in a movie that enters the movie when his character appears, plays his role as his role determines it is to be played then departs and is no more although it still has an effect on the rest of the movie.

Modern versions of both are substantially different that the originals, modern Jews tend to believe all sorts of things from nothingness before and after you live to reincarnation to an afterlife that isn't really oriented toward either reward or punishment to something more akin to the purgatory thing where the soul enters a sort of multilevel realm in which it moves to higher and lower states of development until it finally achieves a reunited form with the creator (Kabballah, Hassidism) although this even has many different understandings within it.

Hopefully this is sort of right, been a long time since I studied such things and I've reached the age where my brain if full and I have to forget something old in order to make room for anything new I learn. (I'm not forgetful, I just learned something new that pushed something I used to know out.)
 
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