School district planning to put AR-15 in every school

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Going purely off the headline, it's really only useful if there are people present who are able and willing to use it, and who can get to it in an emergency. Of course it also needs to be stored such that the kids can't get at it, and indeed any intruder can't get at it.

Honestly, it seems like posturing to me. If they really want to go down the "you'll face return fire" path it would make more sense to make sure more teachers have concealed firearms of their own. Most schools I've seen are big enough that the chances of being able to get to and use a secured firearm from one location are pretty low.
 

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Yes, I think this is a great idea.

Why? Because the often used excuse by the police is that they are out gunned. How stupid a statement is that? Why are you out gunned? You should have access to every type of weapon. You want to walk around with a 9MM pistol and no assault rifle back up? , Whose the idiot?

So, yes. Let the schoold districts provide the weaponry needed and the teachers there who know how to use it.

You can't trust the police anymore. They proved that in Uvalde Texas.

Not only should they provide assualt rifles, but the schools should provide a certain amount of security guards depending on the school size. Oh, that is too much money everyone says. Yet we send billions and billions to Ukraine to arm them. Yet the Biden administration won't lend a dime to support school security.

Why? Because every school shooting gives them ammunition to go after law abiding citizens guns. Politics...playing with students lives to further your political ideology.

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I would also like to add this, as I have been watching the Parkland shooter, Cruz, trial on Court TV.

Why is he even on trial? Why wasn't he killed? There is absolutely no reason not to kill him on the spot when you have the chance.

Whether he surrenders or not is immaterial. He's guilty, and you kill him.

There should be a mandatory law, that if you go into a school and try and kill students, you will die in that school. No trial. No excuses. Execution on the spot.

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Going purely off the headline, it's really only useful if there are people present who are able and willing to use it, and who can get to it in an emergency. Of course it also needs to be stored such that the kids can't get at it, and indeed any intruder can't get at it.

Honestly, it seems like posturing to me. If they really want to go down the "you'll face return fire" path it would make more sense to make sure more teachers have concealed firearms of their own. Most schools I've seen are big enough that the chances of being able to get to and use a secured firearm from one location are pretty low.


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Really, the best idea is to abolish government schools. Its so socialist! Effectively puts a lot of families on government assistance.
 

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I feel like this is to address the Uvalde school shooting while completely missing the point. The police had plenty of guns but they still refused to do anything.

I can honestly see this either doing absolutely nothing because the person with the key to the gun wont be there or worse the shooter will somehow end up with it. They even say they did it so they don't have to run back to their cars to get a AR-15 but breaching a safe will probably take longer than running back to your car.
 

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I feel like this is to address the Uvalde school shooting while completely missing the point. The police had plenty of guns but they still refused to do anything.

I can honestly see this either doing absolutely nothing because the person with the key to the gun wont be there or worse the shooter will somehow end up with it. They even say they did it so they don't have to run back to their cars to get a AR-15 but breaching a safe will probably take longer than running back to your car.

If it is implemented correctly, it would be doing something.

Are they saying only one person should have access to the gun? That would be incredibly foolish.

And, the shooter already has a gun. What does your concern over him getting access to another assault rifle even matter? That's like saying police shouldn't carry a gun because the bad guys might take it away from him. The situation is already bad.

Who are you talking about 'running back' to their car? The police or the school teachers? The AR-15 should be for the teachers use. Not the police. The teachers are already in the building.

You say it does absolutely nothing. But it does do something. It at least provides access to a gun in the building. Of course much more could and should be done.

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All schools in my county contain a School Security Officer who is a member of the Police Force paid for from the School Budget and stationed at the school full time. They would likely be the person with access to the gun who could have a rifle in a gun safe inside the building rather than in the trunk of their patrol car in the parking lot.
 

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All schools in my county contain a School Security Officer who is a member of the Police Force paid for from the School Budget and stationed at the school full time. They would likely be the person with access to the gun who could have a rifle in a gun safe inside the building rather than in the trunk of their patrol car in the parking lot.

And....a security officer can carry a pistol, be it revolver or automatic, that can kill just as easily as an AR-15. This notion that just because the shooter has an AR-15 and you only have a pistol means you can't do nothing is bull..... Pistols can spit out rounds just like an AR-15.

The only thing missing in our present Biden administration is the desire to really stop school shootings. And the thing missing in our police force is the courage to be willing to die to protect instead of letting innocents die.

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And....a security officer can carry a pistol, be it revolver or automatic, that can kill just as easily as an AR-15. This notion that just because the shooter has an AR-15 and you only have a pistol means you can't do nothing is bull..... Pistols can spit out rounds just like an AR-15.

The only thing missing in our present Biden administration is the desire to really stop school shootings. And the thing missing in our police force is the courage to be willing to die to protect instead of letting innocents die.

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Pistols have limited range. They are ideal for close quarters (for which they were created), but a shot at a longer range or through a window has virtually no chance of success. That would be where the rifle would come in.

Another crazy modern issue … remember those bank robbers who were wearing body armor and simply walking through police handgun fire with impunity until the police borrowed some hunting rifles to stop them. That police force also thought that they would never need a rifle.
 

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Pistols have limited range. They are ideal for close quarters (for which they were created), but a shot at a longer range or through a window has virtually no chance of success. That would be where the rifle would come in.

Another crazy modern issue … remember those bank robbers who were wearing body armor and simply walking through police handgun fire with impunity until the police borrowed some hunting rifles to stop them. That police force also thought that they would never need a rifle.

When you're in a 'school', you're in 'limited range'. Pistols work just fine.

A rifle can miss through a window just as a pistol can. Any obstruction may change the bullets path.

So, no. If you have a pistol, you go after the shooter.

You can dream up a multitude of reasons for 'waiting' and let others die while you wait. Does he have body armour? Maybe an IED? Who knows? We better wait and play it safe. Gag. Other's die while you play it safe.

As I said, what is missing is Biden administration's desire to stop school shootings. And the courage of law enforcement to put their lives on the line for those they are supposed to have sworn to protect.

Biden just got a bill through for millions to protect climate change. He sends billions to Ukranine in money and weapons. Yet no mention of guards in schools to protect Ameirican children.

Why? As I said, so democrats and liberals can use school shootings to disarm American law abiding citizens.

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