Andrew
Matt 18:15
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Who created all things? Jesus Christ the Son of God or God the Father?
"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him"
Colossians 1:12-16
I used to go to a oneness pentecostal church that claimed that Trinitarians worship 3 gods and not Jesus as God alone, all while greatly emphasizing on the importance of the Holy Spirit indwelling.
Each preacher had a different approach in explaining the Godhead, one compared it to being the same person but having multiple titles/roles (you can be both a son and also a father), another said simply that they are all Jesus... They? Jesus?
I think the issue stems from the misunderstanding of the PURPOSE of the Trinitarian Creed along with being biasly conditioned to reject anything "Catholic".. but this was never an issue with the reformers.
The PURPOSE of the creed was to boldly admit in all humility that CLEARLY we as Christians can not simply move passed this issue so LET US AGREE to AGREE that it's far too complicated for anyone of us to rationally comprehend -let alone explain away -the mystery of the Godhead, and to prevent any further confusion and division it is best to just call anathema on those who claim any of the previous theories and explanations as 'divine revelation', drawing out disciples after them.
So when you accuse Trinitarian Christians as being "too Catholic" you are really just resisting humility while also sounding foolish and arrogent in attempting to explain away something that no human is possibly capable of understanding, robbing God of all mystery in the name of vanity.
Again, who created all things?
"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him"
Colossians 1:12-16
I used to go to a oneness pentecostal church that claimed that Trinitarians worship 3 gods and not Jesus as God alone, all while greatly emphasizing on the importance of the Holy Spirit indwelling.
Each preacher had a different approach in explaining the Godhead, one compared it to being the same person but having multiple titles/roles (you can be both a son and also a father), another said simply that they are all Jesus... They? Jesus?
I think the issue stems from the misunderstanding of the PURPOSE of the Trinitarian Creed along with being biasly conditioned to reject anything "Catholic".. but this was never an issue with the reformers.
The PURPOSE of the creed was to boldly admit in all humility that CLEARLY we as Christians can not simply move passed this issue so LET US AGREE to AGREE that it's far too complicated for anyone of us to rationally comprehend -let alone explain away -the mystery of the Godhead, and to prevent any further confusion and division it is best to just call anathema on those who claim any of the previous theories and explanations as 'divine revelation', drawing out disciples after them.
So when you accuse Trinitarian Christians as being "too Catholic" you are really just resisting humility while also sounding foolish and arrogent in attempting to explain away something that no human is possibly capable of understanding, robbing God of all mystery in the name of vanity.
Again, who created all things?