Purim 2021

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Purim (a.k.a. Festival Of Lots) is a Jewish holiday commemorating events in the Old
Testament book of Esther.

Although the holiday is biblical; it isn't God-given like all those listed in the
covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God per the books of Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, viz: Purim is man-made. (Esther 9:27)

The primary focal point of the story is the political tension between two Persian
empire officials: one named Haman and the other Mordecai.

Haman outranked Mordecai, but due to a rather unpleasant incident that took place
involving Mordecai's ancestors and Haman's, Mordecai refused to acknowledge
Haman as his superior and render him the proper respect, even though the King
had required it so.

Haman's emotional reaction to Mordecai's insubordination escalated to the point
where he devised a scheme wherein not only Mordecai be executed, but also
everyone in the realm deemed Mordecai's people, i.e. all the Jews.

There's a dark side to this story that is seldom, if ever, afforded daylight, to wit:
that frightful near-death genocide was instigated by the pride of just one stubborn
individual situated in a key position.

The name of God never appears in even one single verse anywhere in the entire
book of Esther; and I am of the opinion it's because Jehovah had nothing to do with
any of it-- and wanted nothing to do with it --the whole incident was a painful
embarrassment perpetrated by folks known the world over as God's chosen people.

The Jews survived that calamity, but 75,000 law-abiding Persians didn't. I now
sometimes wonder whether the Holocaust wasn't a sort of payback for all those
needless Persian deaths at the hands of the Jews so many years ago because God
remembers things like that.

• Ex 34:6-7 . . He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished: visiting the
iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth
generations.
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Purim (a.k.a. Festival Of Lots) is a Jewish holiday commemorating events in the Old
Testament book of Esther.

Although the holiday is biblical; it isn't God-given like all those listed in the
covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God per the books of Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, viz: Purim is man-made. (Esther 9:27)

The primary focal point of the story is the political tension between two Persian
empire officials: one named Haman and the other Mordecai.

Haman outranked Mordecai, but due to a rather unpleasant incident that took place
involving Mordecai's ancestors and Haman's, Mordecai refused to acknowledge
Haman as his superior and render him the proper respect, even though the King
had required it so.

Haman's emotional reaction to Mordecai's insubordination escalated to the point
where he devised a scheme wherein not only Mordecai be executed, but also
everyone in the realm deemed Mordecai's people, i.e. all the Jews.

There's a dark side to this story that is seldom, if ever, afforded daylight, to wit:
that frightful near-death genocide was instigated by the pride of just one stubborn
individual situated in a key position.

The name of God never appears in even one single verse anywhere in the entire
book of Esther; and I am of the opinion it's because Jehovah had nothing to do with
any of it-- and wanted nothing to do with it --the whole incident was a painful
embarrassment perpetrated by folks known the world over as God's chosen people.

The Jews survived that calamity, but 75,000 law-abiding Persians didn't. I now
sometimes wonder whether the Holocaust wasn't a sort of payback for all those
needless Persian deaths at the hands of the Jews so many years ago because God
remembers things like that.

• Ex 34:6-7 . . He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished: visiting the
iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth
generations.
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Incorrect..
-made. (Esther 9:27)

[ The primary focal point of the story is the political tension between two Persian]

The 2 individuals you claim to be Persian were infatuated jews.
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Haman being the antagonist is not a jew.

Do you understand

 

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Do you have a rebuttal jrt?

 

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Purim (a.k.a. Festival Of Lots) is a Jewish holiday commemorating events in the Old
Testament book of Esther.

Although the holiday is biblical; it isn't God-given like all those listed in the
covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God per the books of Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, viz: Purim is man-made. (Esther 9:27)

The primary focal point of the story is the political tension between two Persian
empire officials: one named Haman and the other Mordecai.

Haman outranked Mordecai, but due to a rather unpleasant incident that took place
involving Mordecai's ancestors and Haman's, Mordecai refused to acknowledge
Haman as his superior and render him the proper respect, even though the King
had required it so.

Haman's emotional reaction to Mordecai's insubordination escalated to the point
where he devised a scheme wherein not only Mordecai be executed, but also
everyone in the realm deemed Mordecai's people, i.e. all the Jews.

There's a dark side to this story that is seldom, if ever, afforded daylight, to wit:
that frightful near-death genocide was instigated by the pride of just one stubborn
individual situated in a key position.

The name of God never appears in even one single verse anywhere in the entire
book of Esther; and I am of the opinion it's because Jehovah had nothing to do with
any of it-- and wanted nothing to do with it --the whole incident was a painful
embarrassment perpetrated by folks known the world over as God's chosen people.

The Jews survived that calamity, but 75,000 law-abiding Persians didn't. I now
sometimes wonder whether the Holocaust wasn't a sort of payback for all those
needless Persian deaths at the hands of the Jews so many years ago because God
remembers things like that.

• Ex 34:6-7 . . He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished: visiting the
iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth
generations.
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Using a Turkish moniker proves motive youngin

 

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• Rom 13:7 . . Give everyone what you owe him: if respect, then respect; if honor,
then honor.

• 1Pet 2:17c . . fear God; honor the king.

Webster's defines kings as 1) monarchs, 2) paramount chiefs and/or 3) one that
holds a preeminent position; e.g. monarchs, sovereigns, presidents, prime
ministers, czars, chairmen, etc.

During the 2020 US presidential campaign, there was a wave of hatred, hysteria,
sabotage, propaganda, and disrespect for Mr. Donald Trump the intensity of which
was unlike anything I've ever seen in my 77 years on this planet. And it wasn't just
riff-raff and commoners in on it; the speaker of the House of Representatives, no
less, tore the President's state of the union address in full view of the public-- on
national broadcasting!

Christians don't have to particularly like the folks in government, but we do have to
honor their positions. So please, don't ever follow Mordecai's example; he wasn't
back then, and he isn't now, a suitable role model for Christ's loyal followers.

• Prov 24:21 . . My son, fear The Lord and the king; have nothing to do with those
who hate them.
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FAQ: Why isn't God's name active in the book of Esther?

A: There's been some speculation as to why God is absent.

1» Esther isn't scripture, rather; it's a tale.

2» The events in Esther are believed situated during the reconstruction era depicted
in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah. The seventy years of captivity were over and
the Jews had official permission to return to their ancient homeland. But instead of
returning, many Jews strewn about the realm didn't.

It's understandable that a number of Jews wouldn't want to go. Many of them were
not expatriated, viz: they had never lived in Israel having been born and raised
elsewhere during the seven decades of captivity. To them, Israel wasn't a
homeland, rather, it was a foreign country. And as for Mordecai; he no doubt was
very satisfied with his cushy federal job and would not be readily willing to give it
up.

Well, it's believed that God returned to Israel -- along with the prophets Haggai and
Zechariah --to assist His people in rebuilding the Temple and Jerusalem's walls.
God was demonstrably very active in that theater; but not so with the Jews who
elected to stay where they were. Apparently the old axiom; "Walk with God, and He
will walk with you." was just as true then as it is now.
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[Andrew]

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FAQ: Why isn't God's name active in the book of Esther?

A: There's been some speculation as to why God is absent.

1» Esther isn't scripture, rather; it's a tale.

2» The events in Esther are believed situated during the reconstruction era depicted
in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah. The seventy years of captivity were over and
the Jews had official permission to return to their ancient homeland. But instead of
returning, many Jews strewn about the realm didn't.

It's understandable that a number of Jews wouldn't want to go. Many of them were
not expatriated, viz: they had never lived in Israel having been born and raised
elsewhere during the seven decades of captivity. To them, Israel wasn't a
homeland, rather, it was a foreign country. And as for Mordecai; he no doubt was
very satisfied with his cushy federal job and would not be readily willing to give it
up.

Well, it's believed that God returned to Israel -- along with the prophets Haggai and
Zechariah --to assist His people in rebuilding the Temple and Jerusalem's walls.
God was demonstrably very active in that theater; but not so with the Jews who
elected to stay where they were. Apparently the old axiom; "Walk with God, and He
will walk with you." was just as true then as it is now.
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Are you saying that it doesn't belong in the Bible?

 

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Are you saying that it doesn't belong in the Bible?

Ode has challenged me to duel after disgracing jrt.

 

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Are you saying that it doesn't belong in the Bible?

The two speculations listed in post No.6 are not mine. I picked them up from people
along the way somewhere. I've been an on-going student of the Bible for 53 years
via lectures, Sunday school classes, sermons, seminars, Bible related books, and
radio broadcasts.

On a personal note: Were I required to pick one of those speculations, it would be #2.
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There's an additional dark side to this story; to go along with post No.1

Esther persuaded the king to hang Haman's male children after they were already
dead: ten boys in all. In other words; she had the king hang their corpse. (Est
9:12-14)

Mordecai's beautiful cousin, it turns out, was a very cruel woman at heart; yet she
is admired the world over as a sweet, brave little angel.
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FAQ: Why do you Christians disparage the Bible's Jewish people so much? What
you are doing is despicable and anti Semitic!

A: The Bible has given the world quite a few samples of both sides of the Jews'
coin: their piety and their impiety. If we examine only the Jews' piety, while
suppressing their impiety, we fail to make full use of the Bible.

• Rom 15:4 . . For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our
learning

Christians do not deserve criticism for hanging out the Jews' dirty laundry when it
was God himself who started it.

• 2Tim 3:16-17 . . All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man
of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
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BUMP
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[Stephen]

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Purim (a.k.a. Festival Of Lots) is a Jewish holiday commemorating events in the Old
Testament book of Esther.

Although the holiday is biblical; it isn't God-given like all those listed in the
covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God per the books of Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, viz: Purim is man-made. (Esther 9:27)

The primary focal point of the story is the political tension between two Persian
empire officials: one named Haman and the other Mordecai.

Haman outranked Mordecai, but due to a rather unpleasant incident that took place
involving Mordecai's ancestors and Haman's, Mordecai refused to acknowledge
Haman as his superior and render him the proper respect, even though the King
had required it so.

Haman's emotional reaction to Mordecai's insubordination escalated to the point
where he devised a scheme wherein not only Mordecai be executed, but also
everyone in the realm deemed Mordecai's people, i.e. all the Jews.

There's a dark side to this story that is seldom, if ever, afforded daylight, to wit:
that frightful near-death genocide was instigated by the pride of just one stubborn
individual situated in a key position.

The name of God never appears in even one single verse anywhere in the entire
book of Esther; and I am of the opinion it's because Jehovah had nothing to do with
any of it-- and wanted nothing to do with it --the whole incident was a painful
embarrassment perpetrated by folks known the world over as God's chosen people.

The Jews survived that calamity, but 75,000 law-abiding Persians didn't. I now
sometimes wonder whether the Holocaust wasn't a sort of payback for all those
needless Persian deaths at the hands of the Jews so many years ago because God
remembers things like that.

• Ex 34:6-7 . . He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished: visiting the
iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth
generations.
_

A couple of point for consideration and a question.

1. If you read the longer version of Esther you will find that both Esther and Modercai pray fervently to God. And God answers their prayers.

2. Again if you read the longer version of Esther you wil find an explanation as to why Mordecai would not bow to Haman:
"Thou knowest all things; thou knowest, O Lord, that it was not in insolence or pride or for any love of glory that I did this, and refused to bow down to this proud Haman. For I would have been willing to kiss the soles of his feet, to save Israel! But I did this, that I might not set the glory of man above the glory of God, and I will not bow down to any one but to thee, who art my Lord; and I will not do these things in pride."

And the question - what was this "rather unpleasant incident that took place involving Mordecai's ancestors and Haman's"?

 

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A couple of point for consideration and a question.

1. If you read the longer version of Esther you will find that both Esther and Modercai pray fervently to God. And God answers their prayers.

2. Again if you read the longer version of Esther you wil find an explanation as to why Mordecai would not bow to Haman:
"Thou knowest all things; thou knowest, O Lord, that it was not in insolence or pride or for any love of glory that I did this, and refused to bow down to this proud Haman. For I would have been willing to kiss the soles of his feet, to save Israel! But I did this, that I might not set the glory of man above the glory of God, and I will not bow down to any one but to thee, who art my Lord; and I will not do these things in pride."

And the question - what was this "rather unpleasant incident that took place involving Mordecai's ancestors and Haman's"?

A heritage of hatred for israel that haman carried through his lineage.


ח וַיָּבֹא, עֲמָלֵק; וַיִּלָּחֶם עִם-יִשְׂרָאֵל, בִּרְפִידִם.

8 Then came Amalek, and fought with Israel in Rephidim.

 

[Stephen]

A heritage of hatred for israel that haman carried through his lineage.


ח וַיָּבֹא, עֲמָלֵק; וַיִּלָּחֶם עִם-יִשְׂרָאֵל, בִּרְפִידִם.

8 Then came Amalek, and fought with Israel in Rephidim.

But did Mordecai hold a similar hatred? I don't see that in the text.

 

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• Rom 13:7 . . Give everyone what you owe him: if respect, then respect; if honor,
then honor.

• 1Pet 2:17c . . fear God; honor the king.

Webster's defines kings as 1) monarchs, 2) paramount chiefs and/or 3) one that
holds a preeminent position; e.g. monarchs, sovereigns, presidents, prime
ministers, czars, chairmen, etc.

During the 2020 US presidential campaign, there was a print, cyber, and broadcast
blitz of disrespect for Mr. Donald Trump the intensity of which was unlike anything
I've ever seen in my 77 years on this planet; and along with that were social media
bosses moderating their platforms like KGB assets working to influence America's
political thinking.

It wasn't only commoners in on it; the speaker of the House of Representatives, no
less, tore the President's state of the union address in full view of the public-- on
national broadcasting!

Christians don't have to particularly like the folks in government, but we do have to
give their positions appropriate courtesy. So please, if Christ is your master; don't
ever copy Mordecai's example; he wasn't back then, and he isn't now, a suitable
role model for civic-minded Christians to follow.

• Prov 24:21 . . My son, fear The Lord and the king; have nothing to do with those
who hate them.

• Rom 13:1-5 . . Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for
there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that
exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the
authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will
bring judgment on themselves.

• Rom 13:7 . . Give everyone what you owe him: if respect, then respect; if honor,
then honor.
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Post #10: “There's an additional dark side to this story; to go along with post No.1

Esther persuaded the king to hang Haman's male children after they were already dead: ten boys in all. In other words; she had the king hang their corpse. (Est 9:12-14)

Mordecai's beautiful cousin, it turns out, was a very cruel woman at heart; yet she is admired the world over as a sweet, brave little angel.”

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Maybe we should consider that Haman, the arch-enemy of the Jews, was responsible for (Esther 3:13) “And the letters were sent by posts into all the king's provinces, to destroy, to kill, and to cause to perish, all Jews, both young and old, little children and women, in one day...”

And that God had said to Avram (Abraham) (Genesis 12:3): “And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee...”

And that in Deuteronomy 21:23 we read: “His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.”

The person so hanged, we learn in Deuteronomy 21:22, had to have committed a crime worthy of death. The Amalekites and their descendants would continually hate Israel and try to destroy them. (See Exodus 17:14,16 (especially in the CLV translation); Deuteronomy 25:19.) Thus they qualified (fitted the mould).

So the hanging of the already-dead bodies was a visible sign of God’s stated curse, and served as a warning to leave the Jews alone from then on.

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