Pope calls for civil unions for same-sex couples

[Jazzy]

Pope Francis has called for the passage of civil union laws for same-sex couples in a departure from Vatican doctrine.

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Your thoughts about this?

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

I disagree with his perspective. Jesus does free people from homosexual attractions. It might take a lot of prayer, deliverance, exorcisms, and help from the community, but, if the person is willing, the freedom will eventually come. The problem is that society teaches people to either hide it out of shame or embrace it as an identity. What society should do is encourage those who have sinful sexual attractions (and that doesn't include only homosexuality) to acknowledge the fact that they are in spiritual bondage and to seek deliverance while abstaining from giving into their attraction for the time being, until deliverance is provided.

 

[Josiah]

CIVIL UNIONS is a CIVIL issue, not a religious one. IMO, he has little authority to speak to this.

CIVIL UNION simply is an issue of PERSONAL CORPORATIONS- which already exist and are already legal, and I find NOTHING in the Bible that disallows. A CIVIL, LEGAL corporation can be formed by persons (they ALL are) and there is no law that says all persons who form a corporation must be Christians or saints or sinless or heterosexual or Democrats or religious or cat lovers. Indeed, criminals are allowed to form civil corporations. IMO, if two persons want to form a legal corporation, I think the SECULAR, IRRELIGIOUS, GOVERNMENT may permit that - weather that is so they can buy a house or build a factory or start a coffee shop.

Now, I'm against same-gender MARRIAGE because MARRIAGE is one man and one woman joined together in a sacred, religious institution.

IF some SECULAR, non-religious government wants to give SECULAR, CIVIL privilages to secular, civil, non-religious corporations (whether General Motor or Jill and Jan), well, I don't care much, that's something for secular, civil, non-religious government to decide, even if such is identical to what such secular irreligious government gives to married couples. But it can't call the secular corporation "marriage," it can't declare it sacred by some religious ceremony. The secular government may give the same priviliges to a kindergarten teacher as it gives to a clergyperson, but that doesn't make kindergarten teachers ergo "ordained pastors" - it just means they have the same secular, civil, legal privileges.


My perspective

- Josiah



PS This Pope AGAIN is wrong in calling all Homo Sapiens "CHILDREN OF GOD." No. No! We are children of God BY FAITH, not by our DNA. Why doesn't some Bishop who remembers his training in seminary correct this pope?



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[Josiah]

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[tango]

Interesting points on marriage Josiah, although I suspect part of the problem is that this term "marriage" is used to refer to both a sacred covenant and a secular contract. Although in many ways I agree with your reasoning, from what you have said we can only conclude that a man and woman who are not religious should be prohibited from entering into this construct we call a marriage (I refer to religious in general because other faiths have their own concepts of what a marriage might be).

Furthermore, if we take the argument (that I agree with) that secular entities should be allowed to come together into whatever secular arrangements they see fit, there is no reason why such a civil union should not be open to groups of three or more, regardless of gender. If multiple people want to come together in a manner that regards their worldly goods as being collectively owned, gaining next-of-kin rights and other secular benefits currently associated with marriages and civil unions, why should they be prevented from doing so?

Many times the concept of sexual activity within the group comes to the forefront but it's really nobody's business except the members of the union who is sleeping with who and how often, or indeed whether they are open to sexual activity with others outside the group.