Pardes Concepts for Gentiles

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Now let this be well known.
I am jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Biblical study is very serious stuff.
The knowledge of God has several base learning areas.
Romans 1:19-20 Creation
Activities in Eden (fall of man)
Seth began to call on name of God
Flood help stop ( only evil continually)
etc
Etc.

This will strain me much, but hopefully levels of understanding and development will take on new light.

Jesus is the light and body, and preceding things are often the shadows of things to come.

Romans 1:19-20
Anyone want to post those verses?

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19 because what is known about God is plain to them, since God has made it plain to them. 20 For ever since the creation of the universe his invisible qualities — both his eternal power and his divine nature — have been clearly seen, because they can be understood from what he has made. Therefore, they have no excuse;

 

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19 because what is known about God is plain to them, since God has made it plain to them. 20 For ever since the creation of the universe his invisible qualities — both his eternal power and his divine nature — have been clearly seen, because they can be understood from what he has made. Therefore, they have no excuse;

Thanks for the verses.
These verses tell us that the visible things of creation speak to us about the invisible Creator God.
these things were made by God speaking things into existence. If we walk outside and look our education begins. It was a long time before Jesus said the sower soweth the word of God. All the information of plant development is in the genetics of a seed. Up till this declaration people had looked at seed and speculated about them. So all parables have deep knowledge hidden in the physical.
If we study food and drink in the law, we are studying shadows of Jesus becoming our nourishment.
The word became flesh, the flesh became the man Jesus, the man Jesus became the sacrifice, the sacrifice became seated on the right hand of God the father after death and resurrection, and Jesus became a quickening spirit that can be planted in us.
These are levels of invisible to visible back to invisible to the ultimate eternal presence with God in eternity.
I doubt I even came close to covering what a seed says.
Pardes speaks of the levels of any material studied, and draws paralles between different context areas.

Welcome to the introduction to Pardes.

We serve an awesome master teacher God.

eddif

 

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Pardes speaks of the levels of any material studied, and draws paralles between different context areas.

Welcome to the introduction to Pardes.

Posted for reference from Wikipedia in case anyone besides me had no clue what “Pardes” was:

"Pardes" refers to (types of) approaches to biblical exegesis in rabbinic Judaism or to interpretation of text in Torah study. The term, sometimes also rendered PaRDeS, is an acronym formed from the initials of the following four approaches:​

• Peshat (פְּשָׁט‎) – "surface" ("straight") or the literal (direct) meaning.
• Remez (רֶמֶז‎) – "hints" or the deep (allegoric: hidden or symbolic) meaning beyond just the literal sense.
• Derash (דְּרַשׁ‎) – from Hebrew darash: "inquire" ("seek") – the comparative (midrashic) meaning, as given through similar occurrences.
• Sod (סוֹד‎) (pronounced with a long O as in 'lore') – "secret" ("mystery") or the esoteric/mystical meaning, as given through inspiration or revelation.

Each type of Pardes interpretation examines the extended meaning of a text. As a general rule, the extended meaning never contradicts the base meaning. The Peshat means the plain or contextual meaning of the text. Remez is the allegorical meaning. Derash includes the metaphorical meaning, and Sod represents the hidden meaning. There is often considerable overlap, for example when legal understandings of a verse are influenced by mystical interpretations or when a "hint" is determined by comparing a word with other instances of the same word.​

 

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Peshat, the plain or contextual meaning of the text.

Romans 1:18-23 [NKJV]​

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown [it] to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible [attributes] are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify [Him] as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.​

(context) The verse is speaking of the justification for the wrath of God against men who worship idols instead of the true God.

(plain meaning) the existence of a beautiful and orderly creation is proof of an intelligent creator, a God deserving of thanks and honor for what he has done and what he is.

 

[eddif]

I appreciate the help. Since I was trying to make it for Gentiles I shortened it up a whole bunch.

I started understanding Pardes before I looked it up. I had no idea that it existed, a Jewish person told me what I was doing. Well the Holy Spirit put the law (the lowest and highest level of understanding in both the Jews who wrote the New Testament and the Gentiles who received the gospel). I developed a desire to see what was in all this. Most of the time it just seems strange to Gentiles, and my version seems strange to Jewish folks
With everyone’s help I hope we all wind up blessed.

The Bible oxen thread was the key that opened it all to me.

Hopefully I do not get banned before I stumble around and it all makes some sense to everyone.

eddif

 

[eddif]

As a note:
Pardes did not appear till the late 13th century (?).

 

[atpollard]

I started understanding Pardes before I looked it up. I had no idea that it existed, a Jewish person told me what I was doing. Well the Holy Spirit put the law (the lowest and highest level of understanding in both the Jews who wrote the New Testament and the Gentiles who received the gospel). I developed a desire to see what was in all this. Most of the time it just seems strange to Gentiles, and my version seems strange to Jewish folks
With everyone’s help I hope we all wind up blessed.

The Bible oxen thread was the key that opened it all to me.

Hopefully I do not get banned before I stumble around and it all makes some sense to everyone.

eddif

Sod is where people have a lot of room to get into trouble. Head off too far into “secret revelation” without the Holy Spirit and ALL OF SCRIPTURE to guide you and one can end up with the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons by having your own personal bible different from everyone else.

 

[atpollard]

As a note:
Pardes did not appear till the late 13th century (?).

Perhaps not formally, but if you read Hebrews and look up the OT quotes in their original context, the author of Hebrews has dramatically reapplied the verses to a new and different context.

 

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atpollard
The physical wrath of God:
Against Adam and Eve
Cain
The generation of Noah
The destruction of sodom
Israel defeated in battle
etc

The ultimate end

the books are opened at judgement throne
The book of life in Christ is the only reprieve.

 

[eddif]

The frying pan had a burned egg as I tried to cook and post at the same time.

 

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Sod is where people have a lot of room to get into trouble. Head off too far into “secret revelation” without the Holy Spirit and ALL OF SCRIPTURE to guide you and one can end up with the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons by having your own personal bible different from everyone else.

The Who are you gentile thread is the warning thread that goes with the Pardes thread. Yes the carnal mind can be led astray in most any area. It sometimes takes a brother in Christ to rescue us from error. We can be overtaken and be blinded to our personal sin.

eddif

 

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The Who are you gentile thread is the warning thread that goes with the Pardes thread. Yes the carnal mind can be led astray in most any area. It sometimes takes a brother in Christ to rescue us from error. We can be overtaken and be blinded to our personal sin.

eddif

There is a level beyond the sod.
Fruits in the 5th yr.

 

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The Who are you gentile thread is the warning thread that goes with the Pardes thread. Yes the carnal mind can be led astray in most any area. It sometimes takes a brother in Christ to rescue us from error. We can be overtaken and be blinded to our personal sin.

eddif

What we and who are you speaking for?

 

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What we and who are you speaking for?

A jew(hebrew) in heart follows The Holy Torah in spirit while the flesh of every gentile decidedly ignores The Truth.

 

[pinacled]

Now let this be well known.
I am jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Biblical study is very serious stuff.
The knowledge of God has several base learning areas.
Romans 1:19-20 Creation
Activities in Eden (fall of man)
Seth began to call on name of God
Flood help stop ( only evil continually)
etc
Etc.

This will strain me much, but hopefully levels of understanding and development will take on new light.

Jesus is the light and body, and preceding things are often the shadows of things to come.

Romans 1:19-20
Anyone want to post those verses?

eddif

Are you a satanist in practice?

 

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There is a level beyond the sod.
Fruits in the 5th yr.

S

There is a level beyond the sod.
Fruits in the 5th yr.

Sod is the highest level listed. Fruits is a lower level.
Jesus is the first fruit raised from the dead.
Our redemption.

 

[eddif]

What we and who are you speaking for?

A gentile is the wild branch grafted in after the natural Jewish branch was broken off.
Read all of Romans 11

 

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A jew(hebrew) in heart follows The Holy Torah in spirit while the flesh of every gentile decidedly ignores The Truth.

The goal is for a person to follow Jesus. There is just one name under Heaven that brings salvation.

the Gentiles mess up when they develop side notes to the scriptures. The gentiles can undo the law by their traditions just like the Jews did.

Jesus spoke against human traditions.

 

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Are you a satanist in practice?

I follow Jesus Christ and him crucified, raised from the dead, Ascended into Heaven where he ever makes intercession for us.

The frying pan / fire means I have opened a discussion that can be hard for me to explain. John the Baptist said Jesus would baptise us in the Holy Spirit and fire. By making that gentile statement I created my own problem. I will have not to do that again. Please forgive me.

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