Chat Once upon a time ...

[MoreCoffee]

Once upon a time a tribal leader wanted to unite his people who had recently faced hard times and come out of it the worse for wear. He decided that something to get them to look away from their troubles and bruised hopes was necessary. Something that would kindle hope for a better future. Something to comfort them in their sufferings and to explain why they had suffered without weighing them down with too much guilt. A motivating narrative full of promises for the future and with small steps towards the desired end so they'd be able to see what was needed next and after a while to look back and see how far they'd come. So he told them a story about themselves and their ancestors and about a god who had a special care for them ...


I am wondering how much of the bible we really believe is honest to goodness true ...

 

[psalms 91]

All of it

 

[MoreCoffee]

All of it

Even the harsh parts? Like the genocide of the Amalekites and the laws on rape victims? The permission given to take the virgins of conquered peoples and use them as concubines (sex slaves really, since they had no marital rights and had the same status as slaves)?

I ask this because it is so easy to say "I believe it all" without stipulating exactly what that means.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes we cant pick and choose now can we? That was the Law and the way that people were back then

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yes we cant pick and choose now can we? That was the Law and the way that people were back then

Yes, that is why Christians do not offer sacrifices in Jerusalem.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes, that is why Christians do not offer sacrifices in Jerusalem.

I thought it was because Christ fulfilled the law and that the temple was destroyed? That in no way does away with it as a lot of the Law is good and practical and if you follow it you will probably live longer

 

[Alithis]

All of it

Absolutely All of it.
which means i believe it is a true and accurate account of everything we need to know to live righteously in Christ Jesus .
it is an account of what God did ,then what God said .. then what man did in response to what God said and how patient and longsuffering God is ,waiting out the entirety of methuselah's life before he brings the flood as judgment .
God is righteous and he is not obliged to save any one, but love motivates that he has made a way to do so .

 

[Lamb]

Even the harsh parts? Like the genocide of the Amalekites and the laws on rape victims? The permission given to take the virgins of conquered peoples and use them as concubines (sex slaves really, since they had no marital rights and had the same status as slaves)?

I ask this because it is so easy to say "I believe it all" without stipulating exactly what that means.

I believe that the Bible is true but I also know what applies to me as redeemed Christian and what is not meant for me.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I thought it was because Christ fulfilled the law and that the temple was destroyed? That in no way does away with it as a lot of the Law is good and practical and if you follow it you will probably live longer

That's an explanation yet it also means that Christians no longer obey the laws about sacrifice and hence no longer implicitly believe them as a duty laid upon them and their progeny. Jews on the other hand see the sacrifices quite differently from Christians and would resume them if the right conditions arose.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I believe that the Bible is true but I also know what applies to me as redeemed Christian and what is not meant for me.

How do you decide what applies and what does not?

 

[psalms 91]

That's an explanation yet it also means that Christians no longer obey the laws about sacrifice and hence no longer implicitly believe them as a duty laid upon them and their progeny. Jews on the other hand see the sacrifices quite differently from Christians and would resume them if the right conditions arose.

Only because they are blinded to Christ and we know that the daily sacrifice will be resumed

 

[MoreCoffee]

Only because they are blinded to Christ and we know that the daily sacrifice will be resumed

Yes, perhaps that is the reason. Muslims have a similar view of Christians and consider both the old covenant laws and the new covenant as superseded by the revelation that they believe Mohammed received from God through Gabriel. I, of course, do not share either the Jewish or the Muslim view yet it is fair to point out that a Jew would see both Christians and Muslims as abandoning the revelation given by God and replacing it by something new and, in their view, uninspired. Nevertheless Christians do not in fact believe and follow every word in the holy scriptures because Christians reject the sacrifices and civil laws Moses and Israel. Christians follow a new revelation and measure the old covenant law through the lens of the new covenant.

 

[JPPT1974]

The Bible is true. It is God's Word. The same yesterday, today, and tomorrow! He never changes though we do.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes, perhaps that is the reason. Muslims have a similar view of Christians and consider both the old covenant laws and the new covenant as superseded by the revelation that they believe Mohammed received from God through Gabriel. I, of course, do not share either the Jewish or the Muslim view yet it is fair to point out that a Jew would see both Christians and Muslims as abandoning the revelation given by God and replacing it by something new and, in their view, uninspired. Nevertheless Christians do not in fact believe and follow every word in the holy scriptures because Christians reject the sacrifices and civil laws Moses and Israel. Christians follow a new revelation and measure the old covenant law through the lens of the new covenant.

Rightly so

 

[MoreCoffee]

Rightly so

Yes, yet a Muslim would say the same of his religion and a Mormon too. I guess one's reason for having faith - a specific faith, be it in YAHWEH alone, the Father the Son (Jesus Christ) and the holy Spirit, or God (Allah in Arabic) - is hard to justify beyond saying "I believe it".

 

[TurtleHare]

That's an explanation yet it also means that Christians no longer obey the laws about sacrifice and hence no longer implicitly believe them as a duty laid upon them and their progeny. Jews on the other hand see the sacrifices quite differently from Christians and would resume them if the right conditions arose.

I thought that the Jews stopped doing the sacrifices because there is no more Holy Temple and they are forbidden to do the sacrifices outside the Holy Temple so that is the explanation of why they don't do it. As for Christians isn't the answer very obvious to you as to why there are no more sacrifices being made :bible:

 

[MoreCoffee]

I thought that the Jews stopped doing the sacrifices because there is no more Holy Temple and they are forbidden to do the sacrifices outside the Holy Temple so that is the explanation of why they don't do it. As for Christians isn't the answer very obvious to you as to why there are no more sacrifices being made :bible:

Yes, Jews do not sacrifice now and may never sacrifice again if the temple is never rebuilt yet many Christians (usually not Catholic Christians) think that the temple will be rebuilt and sacrifices will resume. It has something to do with chialiast end times theories. And yes again, the reason why Christians offer no sacrifices is obvious yet it does mean that Christians do not obey the laws about sacrifices and think that they are right not to while Jews would disagree with the reasons that Christians might give.