On Earth as it IS in Heaven?

[Andrew]

My KJ 'Catholic version' bible as well as a few others I've noticed.. emphasize on 'is' in the Lords prayer "...on Earth, as it IS in Heaven"
My reaction is always the same, it implies that Earth is in Heaven.
I simply cannot argue against it, if we choose 'heavens' or even 'Heaven' to mean 'Universe' (stepping way out on a limb here) then indeed Earth IS in Heaven... so to speak.
Actually God called land "Earth" and called man "Adam" meaning 'man' or 'Earthy, clay, dirt, red' etc...
Where I am going with this is uncertain but it's something to think about.
is 'land' exclusive only to our planet?
Does 'land' include any planet that can support human civilization past present or future?
The moon supported man for the time we spent there, was it not also an 'Earth'?
This is the type of questions that arise in my mind when I read that particular line especially with emphasis on 'is'... and then I think about Genesis, and I've been reading the book of Enoch on top of that... and Ancient Aliens was on lol...

OMG I'm thinking too much help me

Do you see the damages emphasis can cause? lol

Anyway the real question is why do they emphasise 'is'? what's the implication?

 

[Imalive]

Earth is in heaven?
Pray that and you get heaven on earth.
His will is done in heaven. If we pray His will gets done on earth.

 

[Josiah]

In Heaven things are perfect.
On Earth they are not.
We pray that things become more heaven-like here.

 

[atpollard]

Heidelberg Catechism (1563):

Q & A 119
Q. What is this prayer?
A. Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And do not bring us to the time of trial,
but rescue us from the evil one.*
For the kingdom
and the power
and the glory are yours forever.
Amen.1**
1 Matt. 6:9-13; Luke 11:2-4
*This text of the Lord's Prayer is from the New Revised Standard Version in keeping with the use of the NRSV throughout this edition of the catechism. Most biblical scholars will agree that it is an accurate translation of the Greek text and carries virtually the same meaning as the more traditional text of the Lord's Prayer
**Earlier and better manuscripts of Matthew 6 omit the words “For the kingdom and … Amen.”


Q & A 120
Q. Why did Christ command us to call God “our Father”?
A. To awaken in us
at the very beginning of our prayer
what should be basic to our prayer—
a childlike reverence and trust
that through Christ God has become our Father,
and that just as our parents do not refuse us
the things of this life,
even less will God our Father refuse to give us
what we ask in faith.1
1 Matt. 7:9-11; Luke 11:11-13


Q & A 121
Q. Why the words “in heaven”?
A. These words teach us
not to think of God’s heavenly majesty
as something earthly,1
and to expect everything
needed for body and soul
from God’s almighty power.2
1 Jer. 23:23-24; Acts 17:24-25
2 Matt. 6:25-34; Rom. 8:31-32


Q & A 122
Q. What does the first petition mean?
A. “Hallowed be your name” means:
Help us to truly know you,1
to honor, glorify, and praise you
for all your works
and for all that shines forth from them:
your almighty power, wisdom, kindness,
justice, mercy, and truth.2
And it means,
Help us to direct all our living—
what we think, say, and do—
so that your name will never be blasphemed because of us
but always honored and praised.3
1 Jer. 9:23-24; 31:33-34; Matt. 16:17; John 17:3
2 Ex. 34:5-8; Ps. 145; Jer. 32:16-20; Luke 1:46-55, 68-75; Rom. 11:33-36
3 Ps. 115:1; Matt. 5:16


Q & A 123
Q. What does the second petition mean?
A. “Your kingdom come” means:
Rule us by your Word and Spirit in such a way
that more and more we submit to you.1
Preserve your church and make it grow.2
Destroy the devil’s work;
destroy every force which revolts against you
and every conspiracy against your holy Word.3
Do this until your kingdom fully comes,
when you will be
all in all.4
1 Ps. 119:5, 105; 143:10; Matt. 6:33
2 Ps. 122:6-9; Matt. 16:18; Acts 2:42-47
3 Rom. 16:20; 1 John 3:8
4 Rom. 8:22-23; 1 Cor. 15:28; Rev. 22:17, 20


Q & A 124
Q. What does the third petition mean?
A. “Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven” means: Help us and all people to reject our own wills and to obey your will without any back talk. Your will alone is good. (Matthew 7:21; Matthew 16:24-26; Luke 22:42; Romans 12:1-2; Titus 2:11-12) Help us one and all to carry out the work we are called to, (1 Corinthians 7:17-24; Ephesians 6:5-9) as willingly and faithfully as the angels in heaven. (Psalm 103:20-21)

 

[Andrew]

Heidelberg Catechism (1563):

Q & A 119
Q. What is this prayer?
A. Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And do not bring us to the time of trial,
but rescue us from the evil one.*
For the kingdom
and the power
and the glory are yours forever.
Amen.1**
1 Matt. 6:9-13; Luke 11:2-4
*This text of the Lord's Prayer is from the New Revised Standard Version in keeping with the use of the NRSV throughout this edition of the catechism. Most biblical scholars will agree that it is an accurate translation of the Greek text and carries virtually the same meaning as the more traditional text of the Lord's Prayer
**Earlier and better manuscripts of Matthew 6 omit the words “For the kingdom and … Amen.”


Q & A 120
Q. Why did Christ command us to call God “our Father”?
A. To awaken in us
at the very beginning of our prayer
what should be basic to our prayer—
a childlike reverence and trust
that through Christ God has become our Father,
and that just as our parents do not refuse us
the things of this life,
even less will God our Father refuse to give us
what we ask in faith.1
1 Matt. 7:9-11; Luke 11:11-13


Q & A 121
Q. Why the words “in heaven”?
A. These words teach us
not to think of God’s heavenly majesty
as something earthly,1
and to expect everything
needed for body and soul
from God’s almighty power.2
1 Jer. 23:23-24; Acts 17:24-25
2 Matt. 6:25-34; Rom. 8:31-32


Q & A 122
Q. What does the first petition mean?
A. “Hallowed be your name” means:
Help us to truly know you,1
to honor, glorify, and praise you
for all your works
and for all that shines forth from them:
your almighty power, wisdom, kindness,
justice, mercy, and truth.2
And it means,
Help us to direct all our living—
what we think, say, and do—
so that your name will never be blasphemed because of us
but always honored and praised.3
1 Jer. 9:23-24; 31:33-34; Matt. 16:17; John 17:3
2 Ex. 34:5-8; Ps. 145; Jer. 32:16-20; Luke 1:46-55, 68-75; Rom. 11:33-36
3 Ps. 115:1; Matt. 5:16


Q & A 123
Q. What does the second petition mean?
A. “Your kingdom come” means:
Rule us by your Word and Spirit in such a way
that more and more we submit to you.1
Preserve your church and make it grow.2
Destroy the devil’s work;
destroy every force which revolts against you
and every conspiracy against your holy Word.3
Do this until your kingdom fully comes,
when you will be
all in all.4
1 Ps. 119:5, 105; 143:10; Matt. 6:33
2 Ps. 122:6-9; Matt. 16:18; Acts 2:42-47
3 Rom. 16:20; 1 John 3:8
4 Rom. 8:22-23; 1 Cor. 15:28; Rev. 22:17, 20


Q & A 124
Q. What does the third petition mean?
A. “Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven” means: Help us and all people to reject our own wills and to obey your will without any back talk. Your will alone is good. (Matthew 7:21; Matthew 16:24-26; Luke 22:42; Romans 12:1-2; Titus 2:11-12) Help us one and all to carry out the work we are called to, (1 Corinthians 7:17-24; Ephesians 6:5-9) as willingly and faithfully as the angels in heaven. (Psalm 103:20-21)

Nice breakdown thank you brother.
I wish I would have approached this topic with more seriousness, a topic solely on the Lords prayer would be informative.
Also I never include the last few lines when I recite this prayer, I stop at "... but deliver us from evil.. Amen"


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[NewCreation435]

My KJ 'Catholic version' bible as well as a few others I've noticed.. emphasize on 'is' in the Lords prayer "...on Earth, as it IS in Heaven"
My reaction is always the same, it implies that Earth is in Heaven.
I simply cannot argue against it, if we choose 'heavens' or even 'Heaven' to mean 'Universe' (stepping way out on a limb here) then indeed Earth IS in Heaven... so to speak.
Actually God called land "Earth" and called man "Adam" meaning 'man' or 'Earthy, clay, dirt, red' etc...
Where I am going with this is uncertain but it's something to think about.
is 'land' exclusive only to our planet?
Does 'land' include any planet that can support human civilization past present or future?
The moon supported man for the time we spent there, was it not also an 'Earth'?
This is the type of questions that arise in my mind when I read that particular line especially with emphasis on 'is'... and then I think about Genesis, and I've been reading the book of Enoch on top of that... and Ancient Aliens was on lol...

OMG I'm thinking too much help me

Do you see the damages emphasis can cause? lol

Anyway the real question is why do they emphasise 'is'? what's the implication?

You managed to almost confuse me too. But, what it mean i that God's will is to be done on earth as it already is in heaven. As we know, God's will is not now always done on earth

 

[MennoSota]

You managed to almost confuse me too. But, what it mean i that God's will is to be done on earth as it already is in heaven. As we know, God's will is not now always done on earth

When does God fail to accomplish His will?

 

[NewCreation435]

When does God fail to accomplish His will?

God's perfect will regarding his creation will be accomplished. He will have the final word. But, to suggest that every evil act that occurs on earth is God's will is very disturbing. I don't believe that. My God isn't cold hearted and evil. My God is light and love and holy. In 1 John 5:19 says that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. He has unbelievers in the world who do what they want and kill, rape, destroy and lie like their father the devil. Jesus described the devil as a liar and the father of lies. And those who follow him also lie. These are not things that God desires to happen or has a hand in making happen. They are the work of the devil. And God will one day destroy the devil and death in the lake of fire. But, for now evil still exists and occurs.

When you look at verses like Romans 8:28 for example, it says that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God and are called according to His purposes. The lost have no such promises to claim. The things that happen to them the devil uses to try and destroy them. He hates all people. Just as with God there is light and no darkness with the devil there is darkness and no light. He destroys because it is his nature to do so.

 

[MennoSota]

God's perfect will regarding his creation will be accomplished. He will have the final word. But, to suggest that every evil act that occurs on earth is God's will is very disturbing. I don't believe that. My God isn't cold hearted and evil. My God is light and love and holy. In 1 John 5:19 says that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. He has unbelievers in the world who do what they want and kill, rape, destroy and lie like their father the devil. Jesus described the devil as a liar and the father of lies. And those who follow him also lie. These are not things that God desires to happen or has a hand in making happen. They are the work of the devil. And God will one day destroy the devil and death in the lake of fire. But, for now evil still exists and occurs.

When you look at verses like Romans 8:28 for example, it says that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God and are called according to His purposes. The lost have no such promises to claim. The things that happen to them the devil uses to try and destroy them. He hates all people. Just as with God there is light and no darkness with the devil there is darkness and no light. He destroys because it is his nature to do so.

Was Job wrong?
Shall we only praise God when He brings good and not when he brings bad?
God ordains the evil that happens as well as the good. This does not mean he causes evil to take place, but he says yes when humans or demons devise evil that kills thousands (including Christians).
Read Habakkuk. God ordained the rise of Babylon and the destruction of Judah by their evil hands. God also tore down Babylon at his command.
Not one thing that happens is outside of God's ordained will.

 

[NewCreation435]

Was Job wrong?
Shall we only praise God when He brings good and not when he brings bad?
God ordains the evil that happens as well as the good. This does not mean he causes evil to take place, but he says yes when humans or demons devise evil that kills thousands (including Christians).
Read Habakkuk. God ordained the rise of Babylon and the destruction of Judah by their evil hands. God also tore down Babylon at his command.
Not one thing that happens is outside of God's ordained will.

I don't agree that not one thing happens outside of God's ordained will. There is a difference between God's perfect will and God's permissive will. God didn't ordain for adam and eve to sin in the garden. God doesn't ordain children to be molested and killed. God doesn't ordain people to be gassed such as when Hitler gassed Jews during WWII.
In the incident you mentioned with Babylon. God warned God's people for over 40 years before he allowed Babylon to come and invade Jerusalem. He used Babylon as a tool to judge Israel and Judah. Before that he used the Assyrians. But, he didn't want to do that. He sent multiple prophets beforehand to try and warn them to repent and they didn't. That doesn't mean that all situations are like that.

 

[MennoSota]

I don't agree that not one thing happens outside of God's ordained will. There is a difference between God's perfect will and God's permissive will. God didn't ordain for adam and eve to sin in the garden. God doesn't ordain children to be molested and killed. God doesn't ordain people to be gassed such as when Hitler gassed Jews during WWII.
In the incident you mentioned with Babylon. God warned God's people for over 40 years before he allowed Babylon to come and invade Jerusalem. He used Babylon as a tool to judge Israel and Judah. Before that he used the Assyrians. But, he didn't want to do that. He sent multiple prophets beforehand to try and warn them to repent and they didn't. That doesn't mean that all situations are like that.

God allows evil to happen. He could say no, but he doesn't.
Again, God does not cause evil, but he does ordain that evil can happen. Even the horrible, wicked behavior of corrupt rebels is ordained by God. Just as Satan had to get approval from God to touch Job, so all the evil and good that happens must be allowed by God's ordinance. To say anything less is to declare that God is not Sovereign and is not in complete control over His creation.
God is in complete control. Not one thing happens outside of His ordained plan.

 

[atpollard]

God allows evil to happen. He could say no, but he doesn't.
Again, God does not cause evil, but he does ordain that evil can happen. Even the horrible, wicked behavior of corrupt rebels is ordained by God. Just as Satan had to get approval from God to touch Job, so all the evil and good that happens must be allowed by God's ordinance. To say anything less is to declare that God is not Sovereign and is not in complete control over His creation.
God is in complete control. Not one thing happens outside of His ordained plan.

Then that begs the question in the title ...

Why do we pray "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"?

 

[Andrew]

Then that begs the question in the title ...

Why do we pray "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"?

Well there will be a kingdom on Earth as it is in Heaven with Jesus for a thousand years, maybe that's what it suggest, there will be world peace but then devil is set loose again

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[MennoSota]

Then that begs the question in the title ...

Why do we pray "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"?

Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

This is a statement of fact.
God's Kingdom will come. God's will is done, both on earth as well as in heaven.
The prayer is not asking for something, but is instead declaring a truth which we believe by faith.
The dark threads that God weaves are ordained by His perfect will. We can never know why God said "Yes" to terrorists acting with such evil or the CIA bringing terror to places throughout the world. We are not given the reason. We must trust God's Sovereign hand through the deep valleys that God brings. We must trust that He works it all for good in a grand design known to God alone.
The other options are to curse God and die or just become ambivalent and die.

 

[Imalive]

Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

This is a statement of fact.
God's Kingdom will come. God's will is done, both on earth as well as in heaven.
The prayer is not asking for something, but is instead declaring a truth which we believe by faith.
The dark threads that God weaves are ordained by His perfect will. We can never know why God said "Yes" to terrorists acting with such evil or the CIA bringing terror to places throughout the world. We are not given the reason. We must trust God's Sovereign hand through the deep valleys that God brings. We must trust that He works it all for good in a grand design known to God alone.
The other options are to curse God and die or just become ambivalent and die.

Another option is to bind those demons and forbid em to attack our country, which we do w church and pray for revival. You can't pray all the evil away, but some.
That is from Corrie ten Boom, those dark threads. They saved a bunch of ppl in those camps. She always prayed as a 5 y o for the ppl who lived in her street, that they would get saved and when she was 70 ppl called her and said they got saved. Oh such a coincidence, we lived in the same street.
They didnt just apatically sit and proclaim that the Nazis doing their stuff was Gods will.