Oh you people working so hard for salvation

[TurtleHare]

I've got news for you! Jesus the Christ already did what was necessary for you to have salvation yet here I keep seeing people preaching repeatedly that you aren't saved if you don't do this or you don't do that. They work hard so that God will maybe notice them and give them a crown or something?

I find it perturbing that those who say the believe in the Savior really only believe in themselves and what they think they need to do to earn salvation themselves. It's as if Jesus' death on the cross accomplished simply nothing for you? Do you even see how this thinking is so damning?

Your works aren't gonna get you anywhere, folks. Stop telling people what THEY need to do to earn salvation and start preaching what the Bible teaches, that Jesus is the way to salvation. Anything after that isn't for salvation. Get it right

 

[Josiah]

Here's how I now see this:

Answer this: WHO is the Savior?


IF you answer "Jesus" then Jesus is the Savior. Not you - not a bit, not at all, not now, not ever, not in any way or shape or form or manner. Salvation is entirely, wholly wrapped up in Jesus. It's entirely HIS work. HIS heart. HIS love. HIS mercy. HIS gift. HIS blessing. His life, His death, His resurrection. His Cross, His blood, His sacrifice. His righteousness, His obedience, His holiness. Not you, not me. Not yours, not mine. Not now, not ever. Not in full, not in part. You or I may have some other role in some other matter, but not this. The "job" of Savior belongs to Jesus. Wholly. Completely. Totally. Not you. Not me. Not my thoughts, decisions, surrenders, behaviors; not my anything. Nor your anything.

IF you answer "ME!" then you are the Savior. Not Jesus. Not a bit, not at all. Not now, not ever. Not in any way, shape or form or manner. Salvation is all wrapped up in YOU. YOUR works. YOUR will. YOUR love. YOUR efforts. YOUR merits. YOUR obedience. YOUR righteousness. YOUR holiness. YOUR sacrifice. Not Jesus. Not Jesus'. Jesus may have some other role in some other matter, just not this one. The Savior is you.

It's THAT simple.

Which is it? Try answering that. If you give the Christian answer, a LOT of Christianity falls into place.

As I gave the answer of "Jesus!" I began to move away from Catholicism and especially to Reformation Protestantism (Lutheran/Calvinism). I began to realize the critical importance of not mixing Law and Gospel, sanctification and justification, me and Jesus.



Thank you.


Pax


- Josiah

 

[Brighten04]

Preach it. Both of you guys!

 

[Lamb]

When people learn to properly distinguish between Law and Gospel, then they can see that their law filled ways won't save them.

I remember years ago I got kicked off a site for saying that we're forgiven. They didn't want to hear the Gospel, only the stuff they could do to reach heaven.

 

[psalms 91]

Jesus is the only answer for salvation in its fullness, I agree. If you are saved then you will obey all that Christ said or try to, if you stay in sin then you are fooling only yourself

 

[Ruth]

But Bill we will always be sinners, it's our nature. No one has reached perfection as a human being that are very flawed.

 

[Brighten04]

Jesus is the only answer for salvation in its fullness, I agree. If you are saved then you will obey all that Christ said or try to, if you stay in sin then you are fooling only yourself

Bill,come on brother. Jesus has saved you from the dominion of sin. You have crossed the line from darkness into light. It is not based on what you do, but upon what Jesus Christ has already done.

 

[Brighten04]

But Bill we will always be sinners, it's our nature. No one has reached perfection as a human being that are very flawed.

My dear sister, you are no longer a sinner. You are a saint. If you have the Lord Jesus in you you are a saint.Christ in you is perfect .You in Him, He in you. You are a new creature in Christ
Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Right believing produces right living.

 

[psalms 91]

But Bill we will always be sinners, it's our nature. No one has reached perfection as a human being that are very flawed.

Very true, we all sin daily and it only by Christ that we can be saved or have a righteousness at all but Jesus Himself laid out what we are to attain to and if we are truly saved we will try even though we fall short

 

[popsthebuilder]

Faith without works is not true Faith. Our works are the product of our Faith and not for boasting or the sight of man. To say that all are saved unconditionally by the grace of God is true. But to be saved and know of sin yet still commit that sin and expect forgiveness is flawed. Knowing is one thing, and equates to nothing without action.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[TurtleHare]

Jesus is the only answer for salvation in its fullness, I agree. If you are saved then you will obey all that Christ said or try to, if you stay in sin then you are fooling only yourself

The point of this thread is that we do not work for our salvation. Any obeying is not for salvation. Don't you see?

 

[TurtleHare]

But Bill we will always be sinners, it's our nature. No one has reached perfection as a human being that are very flawed.

Hallelujah someone gets it!!

YES, we sin and the Gospel tells us that we are covered by Christ's righteousness and those sins are washed away in our baptisms. We sin daily and we rely on Jesus's death and the forgiveness he won so we are covered by his blood and God now sees us in the same way that he sees Jesus.

The Law is saying we sin (and we do) and the Gospel is saying we are free from that covered only be Christ.

 

[TurtleHare]

Faith without works is not true Faith. Our works are the product of our Faith and not for boasting or the sight of man. To say that all are saved unconditionally by the grace of God is true. But to be saved and know of sin yet still commit that sin and expect forgiveness is flawed. Knowing is one thing, and equates to nothing without action.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

This thread isn't about sanctification. Don't you know the difference between Justification and Sanctification? Our Justification doesn't include works. Sanctification does. Once you learn the difference you'll rely more on Christ who saves you and less on you.

 

[popsthebuilder]

This thread isn't about sanctification. Don't you know the difference between Justification and Sanctification? Our Justification doesn't include works. Sanctification does. Once you learn the difference you'll rely more on Christ who saves you and less on you.

Never seen either of those terms in scripture.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[Brighten04]

Romans 4:25
Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification

Romans 5:16
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

1 Thes. 4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;

2Thes.2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

 

[popsthebuilder]

Romans 4:25
Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification

Romans 5:16
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

1 Thes. 4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;

2Thes.2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

So justification is similar to salvation and sanctification is what happens after salvation.


Thanks. Still can't knowingly and continually sin and expect salvation to be assured. Just because we are justified of our sin through the sacrifice of Jesus doesn't mean we are sanctified when still in sin.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Also; are those all cases where it is found in scrpture? The bible is a big book. If those two words had some special meaning then they would be in it a lot. Similar to other topics that have been argued recently.

Still, thanks. Guess I could have googled it myself.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[Lamb]

Also; are those all cases where it is found in scrpture? The bible is a big book. If those two words had some special meaning then they would be in it a lot. Similar to other topics that have been argued recently.

Still, thanks. Guess I could have googled it myself.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Variations of both words are found throughout the New Testament.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Variations of both words are found throughout the New Testament.

Thank you kindly.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[Brighten04]

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