Misreading the bible

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When you read the holy scriptures how do you do it; what stand, what ground, do you hold as you read?

There are difficult passages. Passages about taking pleasure in the destruction of one's enemies infant children (Psalm 137). Passages about genocide (1 Samuel 15 onward). Passages about rape (Deuteronomy 22). All of which paint a certain kind of picture of God. The kind of picture that is painted depends - to a considerable extent - on how you read those passages; specifically on what interpretive ground you decide to make your stand.

May I suggest a place to stand. You'll find it in this passage if you look with some care. Make it your starting place and the solution to the picture painted by the above passages may find a solution.

Revelation 5:1-14 Then I saw in the right hand of the one seated on the throne a scroll written on the inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals; 2 and I saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a loud voice, 'Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?' 3 And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it. 4 And I began to weep bitterly because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to look into it. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, 'Do not weep. See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.' 6 Then I saw between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders a Lamb standing as if it had been slaughtered, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of the one who was seated on the throne. 8 When he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell before the Lamb, each holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 They sing a new song: 'You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slaughtered and by your blood you ransomed for God saints from every tribe and language and people and nation; 10 you have made them to be a kingdom and priests serving our God, and they will reign on earth.' 11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels surrounding the throne and the living creatures and the elders; they numbered myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, 12 singing with full voice, 'Worthy is the Lamb that was slaughtered to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honour and glory and blessing!' 13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, singing, 'To the one seated on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honour and glory and might for ever and ever!' 14 And the four living creatures said, 'Amen!' And the elders fell down and worshipped.
 

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Read the O.T. w glasses of N.T. Only way to protect the Seed was killing sometimes to get rid of evil, so Jesus could be born.
Sin got em killed. Adulterers were stoned except David cause he converted.. Enemies who didnt want to convert were killed. Now we can die w Christ.
 

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No one said hermaneutics is easy.....

IMO, God gave His holy written inscripturated word to ALL Christians (it is not the personal property of any single person, church or denomination) - the audience is corporate. And so interpretation is, finally, corporate. I reject the "Bible and ME" approach of the RCC and so many others (while realizing a BIT of this is inescapable). God promised to lead and teach US (plural.... corporate) not any one person or denomination (such as the RCC or LDS or LCMS).

IMO, this is where Tradition comes into play. I do NOT at all mean that word in the RCC sense (quite the antithesis of that), I mean it as the collective, corporate, ecumenical, historic consensus of the US, of Christians as WE have dealt with the meaning and application of the literal words (those black-and-white things on the page). Thus, I take seriously the Ecumenical Creeds and the 4-7 Ecumenical Councils. I don't consider such infallible/unaccountable (such only belongs to God) but I give it great importance. Lutherans study the history of Christianity, the Creeds, the Councils; they reject the "Bible and ME and ME is infallible so the Bible's gotta agree with ME" rubric. That rubric is part of the reason I left my former denomination.

IMO, we need to look at the WORDS, in context. I think that often, that solves it: notice WHAT God said and WHAT God did not. "Be bold where Scripture (as a whole) is bold, be silent where Scripture is silent." Accept MYSTERY.... hesitating to subject Scripture to personal, individual theories and philosophies and "answers" of self to the questions of self. Lutherans accept the WORDS as authoritative..... under that (as hermaneutic) the ecumenical, historic consensus as the meaning of the WORDS ON THE PAGE (Creeds, etc.) and under that, the Confessions (understandings) of our faith community.
 

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Josiah, you've missed the point of the original post completely. Maybe you missed the point as a result of a genuine mistake.
 

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There are definitely difficult passages. I think we have to remember that since God won't contradict himself that the correct interpretation will take into consideration other verses and its context. You can pull verses out of their proper context and make them say almost anything.
My seminary professor use to say that we are a Christ centered people. He is at the center of how we interpret the Bible and our worldview
 

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The golden rule of interpretation for all text is this:
When the plain sense makes common sense, seek no other sense.
The rules of literature still apply. When the writer employs the use of similes and metaphors then interpret based upon what the writer uses. When imagery is used, observe what that imagery is.

Employ this bible study method using inductive thought.
1) Observe
2) Ask Questions
3) Interpret
4) Check others interpretation
5) Apply

Follow this approach and you will grow in biblical understanding. You will find that the Bible changes many of the cultural teachings you have heard from others. God's word will richly grow you and your faith. You will begin to see the overarching theme of grace running from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22.
 

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Its amazing how God doesn't contradict himself in the word yet its hard for us to agree with each other on certain topics ;)


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Its amazing how God doesn't contradict himself in the word yet its hard for us to agree with each other on certain topics ;)


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That’s not hard to understand. We are born in rebellion to God. That rebellious nature still fights with the Spirit of God. (Romans 7)
 
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