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Do any of you good people - the really naughty people need not answer - respect your church leaders (elders, pastors and such) yet harbour doubts about their opinions on some matters?
 

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Nope because I don't have one now..don't belong to any church.
 

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Sure, I think my pastor gives great sermons but he didn't go to Lutheran college to get his Mdiv. So I rarely hear the Lutheran distinctions preached. Although once he preached on the sermon on the mount and it was pure law and gospel but that's rare.
 

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Do any of you good people - the really naughty people need not answer - respect your church leaders (elders, pastors and such) yet harbour doubts about their opinions on some matters?

Used to, about one thing, took a while, but finally he listened to me.
Lol he used to have books from blatant false teachers in his house. I demanded he'd kick em out.
It's fun having your ex as a leader.
 

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Do any of you good people - the really naughty people need not answer - respect your church leaders (elders, pastors and such) yet harbour doubts about their opinions on some matters?

I don't know if I count as "good" or "naughty" but here goes anyway.

I do exactly what you describe and to be honest don't see a problem with it. At my last church I had great respect for the pastor (and still do - the only reason I no longer attend is because I moved out of the area) yet have major disagreements with him on a couple of issues. The fact I respect him doesn't mean I have to agree with everything he thinks.

At my current church I respect the pastor. To date I haven't found any issues where we have particular disagreements but if they arise I can't see respecting him any less even if we don't agree on everything.
 

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Do any of you good people - the really naughty people need not answer - respect your church leaders (elders, pastors and such) yet harbour doubts about their opinions on some matters?


I tend to respect my elders and superiors....

And I believe that Christ Himself established the office of pastor and that those in that office have an awesome responsibility. I pray daily for my pastor. I also respect them for their extensive education (typically a min. of 4 years of undergrad education + 4 years of seminary; my pastor has a doctorate) and their knowledge of Greek and Hebrew (very important in exegesis and theological review). I have been richly blessed by very admirable pastors (in my Catholic days as well as my Lutheran ones), men whom I held in high esteem.

But of course, pastors are mere mortals and are sinners like all the rest of us. As such, they can err in thought, word and deed and are fully accountable in accord with the attitudes and processes taught by God in His holy Scripture to we, the church. Only God (all 3 persons) are infallible and thus unaccountable and worthly of docilic obedience (this applies to God's penmanship - His Scriptures). And so, as in all things, there is a balance here - embracing esteem and respect for the office but regarding the holder of such as accountable. It's good to remember that nearly every heretic in Christian history was an ordained pastor and that just as we can be sincerely wrong, so can every human being. But as with all, proceed with great and honest humility and in full accord with due process remembering that we too are fallible and accountable.

This is true of all humans in all offices. You - an Australian resident and citizen - take every opportunity to slam, ridicule, mock and condemn the President of the United States of America - a man in a very high and divinely appointed office. Obviously you agree that those in offices can be wrong and that you can designate even your own individual self to mock, ridicule, condemn them and demand their removal from office. Obviously, all that would apply to your Pope and pastor, too. I think I have a greater esteem for those in high offices than you've shown, but we're not fundamentally in disagreement, philosophically anyway.



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i do respect the pastors i hear but i sometimes disagree with minor points they make. Particularly if your going to preach on end times.
 

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i do respect the pastors i hear but i sometimes disagree with minor points they make. Particularly if your going to preach on end times.

Yes there's one real good pastor. He said the Trinity is like rain, vapour... I was like: bite your tongue, cause he's so easy going, you can just say stuff if he preaches.
 
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