Is judgment preceded by grace

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In a recent thread there was some discussion of Christ as the Good Samaritan, and supporting material from Luther and other theologians. Imo, Luther seemed harsh in his assumption of Christ condemning a man (the expert in the Law) who asked "who is my neighbor"? With a Lutheran focus on Law and Grace it's understandable that Luther may take this view - Law condemns and Grace saves. However, in this instance with the expert in the Law - does Christ rely on the law to condemn or is "judgement preceded by grace"? (see below)

Christ as the Good Samaritan said:
The Good Samaritan, the neighbour who is a helper and will make him a helper, is not far from the lawyer. The primitive exegesis of the text was fundamentally right. He stands before him incarnate, although hidden under the form of one whom the lawyer believed he should hate, as the Jews hated the Samaritans. Jesus does not accuse the man, although judgment obviously hangs over him. Judgment is preceded by grace. Before this neighbour makes His claim He makes His offer. Go and do likewise means: Follow thou Me. (Karl Barth, Church Dogmatics I/2, III, §18, pp 418-419, emphasis mine)
https://jamespedlar.wordpress.com/2010/07/03/christ-as-the-good-samaritan/

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[url="https://christianityhaven.com/showthread.php?8186-Jesus-is-the-Good-Samaritan]Jesus is the Good Samaritan[/url]
 

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Could I ask what you mean by "judgment" in your post above?
 

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Well, judgment is over the man, as the quote says - as it is over all of us. We are in sin as well as sin being in the world. At other times and places, Christ drew parallels to vipers and called the Priests a "wicked and adulterous generation". Here, he does not do that. I'm more inclined to agree with the author of the quote that Christ offered Himself - as he does with all of us - to the expert in the law, rather than openly condemn him. So judgment is preceded by grace - the offer to follow Christ
 

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Well, judgment is over the man, as the quote says - as it is over all of us. We are in sin as well as sin being in the world. At other times and places, Christ drew parallels to vipers and called the Priests a "wicked and adulterous generation". Here, he does not do that. I'm more inclined to agree with the author of the quote that Christ offered Himself - as he does with all of us - to the expert in the law, rather than openly condemn him. So judgment is preceded by grace - the offer to follow Christ

Scripture shows both ways...law before grace as well as grace before law. See this https://www.lutheranforum.com/blog/preaching-law-and-gospel-in-the-old-testament
 

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Scripture shows both ways...law before grace as well as grace before law. See this https://www.lutheranforum.com/blog/preaching-law-and-gospel-in-the-old-testament

Very true. And in the link I provided, there are other theologians that suggest the same as Luther - that the discourse between Christ and the expert in the law began with exposing the man's error and putting him to shame. In context, though, I see the mercy of Christ first with an opportunity for the man to recognize the error on his own. And whether scripture identifying him as an expert in the Law afterward is an indication of an unchanged heart, or merely a way to identify him again (he'd been referred to as such earlier) that may be more open to discussion.
 

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Very true. And in the link I provided, there are other theologians that suggest the same as Luther - that the discourse between Christ and the expert in the law began with exposing the man's error and putting him to shame. In context, though, I see the mercy of Christ first with an opportunity for the man to recognize the error on his own. And whether scripture identifying him as an expert in the Law afterward is an indication of an unchanged heart, or merely a way to identify him again (he'd been referred to as such earlier) that may be more open to discussion.

Where do you see Jesus' mercy first in the text?

In Luke 10 here is the text at the beginning:

The Parable of the Good Samaritan

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”


Where does it start with mercy? I see the Law. Jesus responds with, "What is written in the Law?" and he asks it of the "expert" in the Law so the Law is already at work at the beginning of this dialog.
 

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Where do you see Jesus' mercy first in the text?

In Luke 10 here is the text at the beginning:

The Parable of the Good Samaritan

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”


Where does it start with mercy? I see the Law. Jesus responds with, "What is written in the Law?" and he asks it of the "expert" in the Law so the Law is already at work at the beginning of this dialog.

Lamm, there is mercy all through. In the context of my previous post, though, I meant seeing the mercy of Christ in the whole of the passage rather than condemnation - not "first" as in sequence. Go back and read what I wrote. Christ could have outwardly condemned this man and publicly put him to shame. Luther has suggested this is the case. The link I provided gave another point of view. So I've supported the point I'm trying to make - it's not what "I" see, but what others see as well that seems to make sense.

And to answer your post, Starting with the law is not the same as condemning by the law. The quote I gave acknowledges that the man is condemned ("...judgment obviously hangs over him..."); however, Christ does not condemn him, but shows him another way ("go and do likewise")
 
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Lamm, there is mercy all through. In the context of my previous post, though, I meant seeing the mercy of Christ in the whole of the passage rather than condemnation - not "first" as in sequence. Go back and read what I wrote. Christ could have outwardly condemned this man and publicly put him to shame. Luther has suggested this is the case. The link I provided gave another point of view. So I've supported the point I'm trying to make - it's not what "I" see, but what others see as well that seems to make sense.

And to answer your post, Starting with the law is not the same as condemning by the law. The quote I gave acknowledges that the man is condemned ("...judgment obviously hangs over him..."); however, Christ does not condemn him, but shows him another way ("go and do likewise")


Christ does condemn him. It has to do with this part of the text: They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead.


We are that half dead man. Have you heard of the phrase Hammer of the Law?

The Law always accuses and when Jesus declares the man half dead he is showing man's condition because of sin. Jesus gives to the expert in the Law the most horrific condemnation yet most honest explanation of the full extent of the Law...half dead.

Original sin is not something we can avoid and pretend is not in us. It's the reason Jesus had to become the Good Samaritan and it's the reason the man couldn't get up and walk alongside but had to be picked up "Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him."

The Law continues at the end where you have said it's grace Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.” That's law. Anything we do or don't do is Law. We are to perform it perfectly but Jesus points out that we are half dead and cannot.

There are 3 uses of the law and the last sentence Go and do likewise is what some pastors refer to as the 3rd use which is the law is a Guide for us to live. But it still accuses us since we can't live it perfectly. It's not Gospel. It doesn't make us into the justified because we are already justified by Christ's actions. Christ carries us and takes us to the innkeeper to be cared for until He returns.

If Jesus had said "Your sins are forgiven" it would have ended with His grace of the Gospel. The Gospel is hidden within His being the Good Samaritan.

Did the Expert in the Law repent and go away with new faith in the Messiah instead of his Law driven ways? We aren't told that in the text. All we see is that he grasped the concept that there was a man who saved another man after the Priest and Levite walked away...but do you notice how this Expert in the Law can't bring himself to call the Samaritan a Samaritan? Jews and Samaritans were so against each other (from the split that we read about in the Old Testament) that his own racism prevented him from even saying the term Samaritan...it's just "the one".
 

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Being half dead, where is the 'hammer' that Christ used in the parable? Did he call the wounded man a 'viper'? A member of a 'wicked and adulterous generation'? Did he fashion a whip from cords and beat him more?
Or does he care for us in our half dead condition? The fact is that Christ's condemnation is not to be found, but is inserted by subjective judgment.

I'd also like to know your thoughts on the link that I posted. There are several ideas there that are worthy of some time and consideration. Perhaps that might help to see this whole thing not so much as my argument, but based on some study of the passage (as I consider yours to be)
 
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Being half dead, where is the 'hammer' that Christ used in the parable? Did he call the wounded man a 'viper'? A member of a 'wicked and adulterous generation'? Did he fashion a whip from cords and beat him more?
Or does he care for us in our half dead condition? The fact is that Christ's condemnation is not to be found, but is inserted by subjective judgment.

I'd also like to know your thoughts on the link that I posted. There are several ideas there that are worthy of some time and consideration. Perhaps that might help to see this whole thing not so much as my argument, but based on some study of the passage (as I consider yours to be)

Is being called half-dead not serious enough of a warning? It sounds more devastating than being called a viper but perhaps equal to being called a whitewashed tomb? Being half dead is being on the critical list...which is dire! Only Jesus can carry that man to safety. And He does. There is the Gospel.

The error that is included in the link you provided is that some of those writings insist that we CAN be saved if we do as Jesus asks. But Jesus tells us what happens to the half dead man...he can't do enough to save himself and the Samaritan (Jesus) has to provide and pay the price.
 

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Is being called half-dead not serious enough of a warning? It sounds more devastating than being called a viper but perhaps equal to being called a whitewashed tomb? Being half dead is being on the critical list...which is dire! Only Jesus can carry that man to safety. And He does. There is the Gospel.

And there is grace. The man is not left to find it on his own. Neither is the expert in the law. "Go and do likewise" - where does Christ qualify this with "but you're not able"?
If a man is outside the Starbucks asking if you can buy him a cup off coffee, or a sandwich because he hasn't eaten in two days, do you? How many do you suppose have ignored him (Priests) or assumed he's just looking for money to buy drugs (Levites)? True, you haven't given him a room at the Astoria Hotel and left your credit card with the concierge, but have you met his needs? The thing is, this is my reality every day. No, I can't meet the needs completely of everyone I come across - some who have asked for my assistance are dead - but I don't ignore the command to "Go..." as if I'm powerless to do it.

The error that is included in the link you provided is that some of those writings insist that we CAN be saved if we do as Jesus asks.

Examples?

But Jesus tells us what happens to the half dead man...he can't do enough to save himself...

He doesn't try

...and the Samaritan (Jesus) has to provide and pay the price.

And he did. "Go and do likewise"
 

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The man half dead is us...that is Jesus telling us that we can't save ourselves.

Sure we can buy a cup of coffee and do nice things for someone. So what? Do you think that good deed is going to get you eternal life with God? Jesus shows in this example that HE paid the price for us and that we are half dead and HE carries us to safety. The guy didn't get up and walk alongside Jesus doing his part, now did he? Jesus carried him and put him on a donkey and took him to the innkeeper until he could return for him. That's Jesus redeeming us without any effort on our part until He returns for us.

That's the grace in the story. That's the pure sweet Gospel of salvation.

So go ahead and buy a guy a cup of coffee and show love to your neighbor. You should do that. No one says don't. But don't expect it to contribute to what Jesus already paid for...your redemption.
 
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