Andrew
Matt 18:15
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This is taken from a hyper preterist group..
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Questions todays faux Christians don't want to know the answers to
1. Who did Jesus come for? His people – (Matt 1:21, 15:24)
2. Who were his people? Israelites – (Mat 2:6, Luke 1:68)
3. Who did Jesus die for? Those who sinned under the first covenant (Heb 9:14-15)- The nation of Israel and those Israelites out in the nations (John 11:51-52)
4. Who did Jesus come to redeem? Those under the law - (Gal 4:5, Israelites Luke 1:68)
5. Who had and was under the law? Old Covenant Israel - (Ps 147:19-20, Duet 4:8)
6. Where did Paul say "Where there is no law, there is no transgression” (Rom 5:13)
7. If people today aren’t under the law, are they innocent or guilty? Innocent.
8. Where in scripture is there a judgement on anyone post-AD70? Nowhere.
9. Who was the New Covenant for? Old Covenant Israel and Judah - (Rom 11:26-27, Heb 8:8)
10. Who was the law, the promises and covenants for? Fleshly Israel - (Rom 9:3-4) The fathers of Israel (Acts 26:6-7)
11. Who was the promised eternal inheritance for? Old covenant Israel - (Heb 9:15)
15. Who was raised in the first century resurrection? Old Covenant Israel - (Rev 7:9, 21:12)
16. Who was to be judged and who was to judge them? The twelve tribes of Israel in AD70, judged by the disciples - (Luke 22:30, Rev 20:13).
17. Who was the focus of Paul’s preaching and the disciples great commission? The elect, Israelite diaspora. (Matt 24:31)
18. Who were the elect diaspora? – Descendants of the tribes of Israel dispersed among the nations, otherwise called “gentiles”. (Rom 9:24-27, Hosea 1:9). Isaiah 45:4 defines the elect as Israelites.
19. Who were all of Paul’s, James and Peter’s letters directed to? The elect, Israelite diaspora.
(James 1:1, 1 Peter 1:1)
20. Are we the elect? No.
21. Are we gentiles who need salvation? No
22. Who today has transgressed the law that imputed sin? NOBODY (Rom 4:15)
23. Who today has sinned under the Old Covenant? NOBODY
24. Who has needed salvation since AD70? NOBODY
25. Who has needed redemption since AD70? NOBODY
26. Where are we in Israel’s redemptive narrative? NOWHERE
The disciple’s great commission was to seek out the elect diaspora (otherwise called “gentiles”) from among the nations, not to convert entire nations. The disciples accomplished their mission within 30 years. According to Paul, writing in the late 50s to mid 60s, the gospel had already gone out to the nations, the whole world and to every creature (Rom 10:18, 16:26, Col 1:6, 23). All that was left was the end to come, which Jesus said would happen in their generation and which John said would “soon take place”. The time (their generation) and people meant for the gospel (those under the law, Jews and gentile descendants of the tribes of Israel) came to an end, in AD70.
The elect were gathered as Jesus said would happen in Matthew 24:31 and grafted in just as Paul said would happen in Rom 11:24 and as Paul said “all Israel will be saved” (Rom 11:26). The great judgement happened in 70AD. The goats (unbelieving Israel) were separated from the sheep (Jews and the elect Israelite diaspora who responded to the gospel with faith). True Israel received her inheritance. The temple was destroyed and the kingdom was then delivered up to the Father and Israel’s redemptive narrative came to a close.
The gospel you think you're preaching to "sinners" is part of a hijacked redemptive narrative originally meant for first century Jews and the elect diaspora, descendants of the tribes of Israel who had been dispersed among nations...otherwise called “gentiles”. Those who were 'grafted in' were gentile descendants of the tribes of Israel, not pagan converts. Accusations of people today being “sinners” are mind numbingly false. Threats of judgement and “hellfire” are absolutely silly and come from people who read themselves into someone else’s two thousand year old mail penned by and for Israelites and try to convince others to share in their error.
The good news is, nobody is a sinner, nobody is on the way to hell and nobody needs Jesus to save them. Isn’t it time to stop pretending to be an Israelite? #IOWINS
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Questions todays faux Christians don't want to know the answers to
1. Who did Jesus come for? His people – (Matt 1:21, 15:24)
2. Who were his people? Israelites – (Mat 2:6, Luke 1:68)
3. Who did Jesus die for? Those who sinned under the first covenant (Heb 9:14-15)- The nation of Israel and those Israelites out in the nations (John 11:51-52)
4. Who did Jesus come to redeem? Those under the law - (Gal 4:5, Israelites Luke 1:68)
5. Who had and was under the law? Old Covenant Israel - (Ps 147:19-20, Duet 4:8)
6. Where did Paul say "Where there is no law, there is no transgression” (Rom 5:13)
7. If people today aren’t under the law, are they innocent or guilty? Innocent.
8. Where in scripture is there a judgement on anyone post-AD70? Nowhere.
9. Who was the New Covenant for? Old Covenant Israel and Judah - (Rom 11:26-27, Heb 8:8)
10. Who was the law, the promises and covenants for? Fleshly Israel - (Rom 9:3-4) The fathers of Israel (Acts 26:6-7)
11. Who was the promised eternal inheritance for? Old covenant Israel - (Heb 9:15)
15. Who was raised in the first century resurrection? Old Covenant Israel - (Rev 7:9, 21:12)
16. Who was to be judged and who was to judge them? The twelve tribes of Israel in AD70, judged by the disciples - (Luke 22:30, Rev 20:13).
17. Who was the focus of Paul’s preaching and the disciples great commission? The elect, Israelite diaspora. (Matt 24:31)
18. Who were the elect diaspora? – Descendants of the tribes of Israel dispersed among the nations, otherwise called “gentiles”. (Rom 9:24-27, Hosea 1:9). Isaiah 45:4 defines the elect as Israelites.
19. Who were all of Paul’s, James and Peter’s letters directed to? The elect, Israelite diaspora.
(James 1:1, 1 Peter 1:1)
20. Are we the elect? No.
21. Are we gentiles who need salvation? No
22. Who today has transgressed the law that imputed sin? NOBODY (Rom 4:15)
23. Who today has sinned under the Old Covenant? NOBODY
24. Who has needed salvation since AD70? NOBODY
25. Who has needed redemption since AD70? NOBODY
26. Where are we in Israel’s redemptive narrative? NOWHERE
The disciple’s great commission was to seek out the elect diaspora (otherwise called “gentiles”) from among the nations, not to convert entire nations. The disciples accomplished their mission within 30 years. According to Paul, writing in the late 50s to mid 60s, the gospel had already gone out to the nations, the whole world and to every creature (Rom 10:18, 16:26, Col 1:6, 23). All that was left was the end to come, which Jesus said would happen in their generation and which John said would “soon take place”. The time (their generation) and people meant for the gospel (those under the law, Jews and gentile descendants of the tribes of Israel) came to an end, in AD70.
The elect were gathered as Jesus said would happen in Matthew 24:31 and grafted in just as Paul said would happen in Rom 11:24 and as Paul said “all Israel will be saved” (Rom 11:26). The great judgement happened in 70AD. The goats (unbelieving Israel) were separated from the sheep (Jews and the elect Israelite diaspora who responded to the gospel with faith). True Israel received her inheritance. The temple was destroyed and the kingdom was then delivered up to the Father and Israel’s redemptive narrative came to a close.
The gospel you think you're preaching to "sinners" is part of a hijacked redemptive narrative originally meant for first century Jews and the elect diaspora, descendants of the tribes of Israel who had been dispersed among nations...otherwise called “gentiles”. Those who were 'grafted in' were gentile descendants of the tribes of Israel, not pagan converts. Accusations of people today being “sinners” are mind numbingly false. Threats of judgement and “hellfire” are absolutely silly and come from people who read themselves into someone else’s two thousand year old mail penned by and for Israelites and try to convince others to share in their error.
The good news is, nobody is a sinner, nobody is on the way to hell and nobody needs Jesus to save them. Isn’t it time to stop pretending to be an Israelite? #IOWINS
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