Hybrids

[Faith]

@Josiah
@Lamb
I saw glimpse of a news article as I was scrolling online….something about humans breeding with subhumans or animals or something. I tried to find the article again for a half hour and can’t find it. I googled and found something on how a new genetic combination can be produced like a liger.
In 2003 some Chinese scientists managed to fuse human cells with rabbit eggs resulting in a chimera.

Which brings me to my question……if God made humans distinct from animals, and each species of animal distinct from others, then how is this possible?

 

[tango]

I saw glimpse of a news article as I was scrolling online….something about humans breeding with subhumans or animals or something. I tried to find the article again for a half hour and can’t find it. I googled and found something on how a new genetic combination can be produced like a liger.
In 2003 some Chinese scientists managed to fuse human cells with rabbit eggs resulting in a chimera.

Which brings me to my question……if God made humans distinct from animals, and each species of animal distinct from others, then how is this possible?

In Genesis the text says that God said that the animals should reproduce with their own kind. The text doesn't say that man couldn't one day tinker with the DNA and get things to cross breed.

Since lions and tigers are both cats it's easy to see that if you could use one to impregnate the other you could create a hybrid (liger/tigon depending on which was the male and which was the female).

Trying to do artificial insemination between creatures of totally different breeds seems unlikely to succeed but that doesn't mean you can't do something silly in a laboratory. It's not technically all that different from genetically engineering food - we've been using artificial selection pretty much since we've been growing crops and breeding animals but until recently there was no way to do something like putting a gene from a strawberry into a wheat plant.

As with so much else I'm reminded of the line from Jurassic Park that says they spent so much time wondering whether they could they never stopped to think about whether they should.

 

[Nazareth]

In Genesis the text says that God said that the animals should reproduce with their own kind. The text doesn't say that man couldn't one day tinker with the DNA and get things to cross breed.

Since lions and tigers are both cats it's easy to see that if you could use one to impregnate the other you could create a hybrid (liger/tigon depending on which was the male and which was the female).

Trying to do artificial insemination between creatures of totally different breeds seems unlikely to succeed but that doesn't mean you can't do something silly in a laboratory. It's not technically all that different from genetically engineering food - we've been using artificial selection pretty much since we've been growing crops and breeding animals but until recently there was no way to do something like putting a gene from a strawberry into a wheat plant.

As with so much else I'm reminded of the line from Jurassic Park that says they spent so much time wondering whether they could they never stopped to think about whether they should.

There already are Lion Tiger hybrids.

This is from 16 years ago:

 

[tango]

There already are Lion Tiger hybrids.

This is from 16 years ago:

I know, the main point of my post was the section about trying to get totally different species to cross-breed.

 

[Nazareth]

I know, the main point of my post was the section about trying to get totally different species to cross-breed.

I think it's inevitable. Our sciences are at a point now where we are overfond of playing God.

Weather control, mind control, etc....

Creating new species, bringing back extinct ones, are all in the cards now.

We're fond of playing God.

 

[tango]

I think it's inevitable. Our sciences are at a point now where we are overfond of playing God.

Weather control, mind control, etc....

Creating new species, bringing back extinct ones, are all in the cards now.

We're fond of playing God.

Yep, we're so fond of wondering whether we can do something we seldom seem to stop and think if it's a good idea.

Obviously movies like Jurassic Park and Species are fictional but I sometimes wonder how close we are to creating something that gets out of hand faster than we can get it back under control.

 

[Nazareth]

Yep, we're so fond of wondering whether we can do something we seldom seem to stop and think if it's a good idea.

Obviously movies like Jurassic Park and Species are fictional but I sometimes wonder how close we are to creating something that gets out of hand faster than we can get it back under control.

Re: a real Jurassic park , it's a real study known as de-extinction research.

Teacup Yorkies....teacup Brontosaurus?

 

[tango]

Re: a real Jurassic park , it's a real study known as de-extinction research.

Teacup Yorkies....teacup Brontosaurus?

De-extinction sounds like it could be a good idea, as long as we're careful about what we bring back.

Bringing back something like the dodo might be good for the planet and seems unlikely to harm the existing ecosystem. Bringing back something like a sabre-toothed tiger or a T-rex seems like it could be more dangerous.

As with so much else it's fun until it all goes wrong. Things work perfectly until suddenly they don't. Hopefully when that happens it won't be too late to put the metaphorical genie back in the bottle.

To borrow from fictional storylines, the principle behind Jurassic Park worked at least reasonably well until "life found a way" and the dinosaurs started to reproduce. The child from Species was completely under control until she escaped and matured faster than expected (just a note to anyone who hasn't seen the movie, I think there's some mild nudity in it although it's been a while since I saw it and I forget the precise details). Jurassic Park still didn't need to be a disaster if the dinosaurs could have been confined to their island; Species created the situation of a human-like creature loose in an urban setting seeking to reproduce, which is much harder to contain.

 

[Faith]

In Genesis the text says that God said that the animals should reproduce with their own kind. The text doesn't say that man couldn't one day tinker with the DNA and get things to cross breed.

Since lions and tigers are both cats it's easy to see that if you could use one to impregnate the other you could create a hybrid (liger/tigon depending on which was the male and which was the female).

Trying to do artificial insemination between creatures of totally different breeds seems unlikely to succeed but that doesn't mean you can't do something silly in a laboratory. It's not technically all that different from genetically engineering food - we've been using artificial selection pretty much since we've been growing crops and breeding animals but until recently there was no way to do something like putting a gene from a strawberry into a wheat plant.

As with so much else I'm reminded of the line from Jurassic Park that says they spent so much time wondering whether they could they never stopped to think about whether they should.

Artificially inseminating creatures of different breeds has already happened

In Genesis the text says that God said that the animals should reproduce with their own kind. The text doesn't say that man couldn't one day tinker with the DNA and get things to cross breed.

Since lions and tigers are both cats it's easy to see that if you could use one to impregnate the other you could create a hybrid (liger/tigon depending on which was the male and which was the female).

Trying to do artificial insemination between creatures of totally different breeds seems unlikely to succeed but that doesn't mean you can't do something silly in a laboratory. It's not technically all that different from genetically engineering food - we've been using artificial selection pretty much since we've been growing crops and breeding animals but until recently there was no way to do something like putting a gene from a strawberry into a wheat plant.

As with so much else I'm reminded of the line from Jurassic Park that says they spent so much time wondering whether they could they never stopped to think about whether they should.

Then what about this? It’s unethical but scientifically feasible.



The First Human-Pig Hybrid Embryo Has Been Created in The Lab

 

[tango]

Artificially inseminating creatures of different breeds has already happened

Yes, we established that a few posts back.

Then what about this? It’s unethical but scientifically feasible.

The First Human-Pig Hybrid Embryo Has Been Created in The Lab

I already said that something that might never happen in nature might happen in the lab.

 

[Faith]

And that doesn’t disprove Scripture?

 

[tango]

And that doesn’t disprove Scripture?

How does it disprove Scripture?

 

[Faith]

i didn’t say it did. I’m asking to make sure it doesn’t.

 

[tango]

i didn’t say it did. I’m asking to make sure it doesn’t.

I wouldn't say it disproves Scripture. Animals don't attempt to reproduce with animals of a totally different species. What we do in a laboratory when we tinker with DNA and splice random things together doesn't change the fact it would never happen without our intervention.

 

[Lamb]

@Josiah
@Lamb
I saw glimpse of a news article as I was scrolling online….something about humans breeding with subhumans or animals or something. I tried to find the article again for a half hour and can’t find it. I googled and found something on how a new genetic combination can be produced like a liger.
In 2003 some Chinese scientists managed to fuse human cells with rabbit eggs resulting in a chimera.

Which brings me to my question……if God made humans distinct from animals, and each species of animal distinct from others, then how is this possible?

God allows things to happen that aren't according to His will.

 

[Faith]

Ok.