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Often when I talk to Christians about vegetarianism/veganism they quote
one of numerous biblical passages.
Today I want to ask Christians about one of these passages. Please stay on topic as this is the only passage meant to be discussed here.
Genesis 9:3
The gestation (pregnancy) period for most mammals considered "food" in
all the cultures that presently eat them is anywhere between 5-8 months, with
the exception of chicken (less than a month).
At the point of birth, the animals have not reached maturity, cannot breed and create more of their kind yet, and could not be a regular food source for humans at the early stages.
Noah and his family are supposedly given the green light in Genesis 9:3 that animals are now on the menu. But there were only 2 of each kind brought on board the ark, so in order for the animals to survive at all and procreate, Noah and his family would have had to eat something else. The world was just flooded. There are no grain or corn crops lying around. It will take time to grow cereal grains and other crops to eat.
Can't slaughter the cows, pigs, goats, horses or any of the larger mammals for some time - there's only 2 of each kind to keep the species going, and mature offspring won't be available for at least 1.5 years.
Chickens arrive in less than a month, but it's still around 18 weeks before they can even lay eggs and are large enough for maybe 2 meals for 1 human. 18 weeks is a long time to wait around for a few chickens to mature when you're hungry.
In the Hebrew, a distinction is made between the livestock, or larger animals, and other life:
H929 - Bhema - livestock (cattle, pigs, horses etc)
H7431 - remes - creeping thing
H7431 - remes - is the word used in Genesis 9:3, not Bhema.
I took the trouble to look through every instance of "Remes" and found that it never refers to Bhema directly, and in fact every time it is used with Bhema, they are distinct. Bhema is not Remes, they a separate class of living things.
The only logical conclusion I can come to is that Noah and his family were not eating any of the larger animals to sustain themselves, but only those who's gestation cycles are very short, and so this would mean insects like locusts and some of the smaller land animals/reptiles that procreate and grow quicker.
The flood made the world food-less for humans for a short time. Grass grows quick, giving many of the mammals food after a short time. Seeds and starchy crops fit for humans take a little longer to develop.
The simple wording of most bibles on this passage makes it seem that for (some obscure reason), the Flood changed everything about God's dietary plan from post flood forward. That reading of it is very convenient for many. However, it seems much more likely that it was meant as a temporary measure to allow humans to survive, until crops could be sown, grown, and harvested, and even then, the humans only allowed to eat the Remes (small creeping things) and not the Bhema (larger livestock - pigs, cattle, sheep etc).
one of numerous biblical passages.
Today I want to ask Christians about one of these passages. Please stay on topic as this is the only passage meant to be discussed here.
Genesis 9:3
The gestation (pregnancy) period for most mammals considered "food" in
all the cultures that presently eat them is anywhere between 5-8 months, with
the exception of chicken (less than a month).
At the point of birth, the animals have not reached maturity, cannot breed and create more of their kind yet, and could not be a regular food source for humans at the early stages.
Noah and his family are supposedly given the green light in Genesis 9:3 that animals are now on the menu. But there were only 2 of each kind brought on board the ark, so in order for the animals to survive at all and procreate, Noah and his family would have had to eat something else. The world was just flooded. There are no grain or corn crops lying around. It will take time to grow cereal grains and other crops to eat.
Can't slaughter the cows, pigs, goats, horses or any of the larger mammals for some time - there's only 2 of each kind to keep the species going, and mature offspring won't be available for at least 1.5 years.
Chickens arrive in less than a month, but it's still around 18 weeks before they can even lay eggs and are large enough for maybe 2 meals for 1 human. 18 weeks is a long time to wait around for a few chickens to mature when you're hungry.
In the Hebrew, a distinction is made between the livestock, or larger animals, and other life:
H929 - Bhema - livestock (cattle, pigs, horses etc)
H7431 - remes - creeping thing
H7431 - remes - is the word used in Genesis 9:3, not Bhema.
I took the trouble to look through every instance of "Remes" and found that it never refers to Bhema directly, and in fact every time it is used with Bhema, they are distinct. Bhema is not Remes, they a separate class of living things.
The only logical conclusion I can come to is that Noah and his family were not eating any of the larger animals to sustain themselves, but only those who's gestation cycles are very short, and so this would mean insects like locusts and some of the smaller land animals/reptiles that procreate and grow quicker.
The flood made the world food-less for humans for a short time. Grass grows quick, giving many of the mammals food after a short time. Seeds and starchy crops fit for humans take a little longer to develop.
The simple wording of most bibles on this passage makes it seem that for (some obscure reason), the Flood changed everything about God's dietary plan from post flood forward. That reading of it is very convenient for many. However, it seems much more likely that it was meant as a temporary measure to allow humans to survive, until crops could be sown, grown, and harvested, and even then, the humans only allowed to eat the Remes (small creeping things) and not the Bhema (larger livestock - pigs, cattle, sheep etc).
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